Danner Posted January 18, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 18, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Feeling the need for a 35/1.4 for film (only), trying to decide between the two. Both are compact (very good), the Nokton close focuses to .7 meters and cost less, but it's not a Leica (you know what I mean). OTOH, I am wondering if the Nokton might actually be better, optically, in the f1.4-2.8 range than the Summilux? I also wonder about sample variations in the Noktons, are there 'good' ones and 'bad' ones? Thank you for your thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 18, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2021 I have both, more exactly Summilux 35/1.4 v2 and Nokton 35/1.4 "SC" v2. Botton line the Summilux is hard to beat if you're after a lens showing some glow (halos around highlights) at f/1.4. Otherwise, the Nokton wins in all counts but distortion but it is more contrasty than the Summilux and has less character at f/1.4. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 18, 2021 I have owned both, but it's much cooler to have a real, classic Leica lens! 😉 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #4 Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steven said: I like your photos. Would you be kind to give us more details on your Lux ? V1 or 2? A production code would be great, or even better, an eBay link ! I've had two copies, both v.2. The last one has SN starting with 2992xxx, so I assume it's from 1979. It has been away to Germany for a CLA for the last weeks and I actually expected it back today, but it seems I have to wait one more day. I can find it in my purchase history on eBay, but I don't think it's possible to share a link when an item is sold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #5 Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steven said: Maybe a screenshot, if it’s not too much bother ? I trust your judmgemnt in lenses. I’ve identified with your taste for a long time now. You and me share in common that we’ve been on a long 35mm journey. This is the only picture still available: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317104-summilux-35mm-vs-nokton-classic-3514-ii/?do=findComment&comment=4120768'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Steven said: You and me share in common that we’ve been on a long 35mm journey. My 35mm journey could easily have taken a different path. Just days after I purchased this lens, I discovered a very cheap, mint 35mm pre-FLE with no focus shift for sale. BTW, the seller was a famous (in Norway) TV star. 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 18, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 minutes ago, Steven said: Made in Canada or Germany ? Canada. But that was quite unplanned. I just bought one that looked OK and I could afford. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 18, 2021 Share #8 Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steven said: It was barely six month ago, and the prices have already gone up 60%. It's crazy. Nothing under 3K now. My first copy was bought in Norway in September 2019 for USD 2145 and was in absolute mint condition. I regretted a lot that I sold it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted January 19, 2021 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2021 22 hours ago, Steven said: still trying to figure out which will be my “compact” 35 You know what the right answer is. Ernst Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 21, 2021 Share #10 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Summilux 35mm is very compact, here comparing to other 35mm that I had at that moment... (now more but less the rare /regretted sold 35 Lux Titanium coated *) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Summicron IV, Asph, Summilux Ti, rear is M-Hexanon 35mm * sold more than ten years ago ( 1 200€ !!! ) Edited January 21, 2021 by a.noctilux Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Summicron IV, Asph, Summilux Ti, rear is M-Hexanon 35mm * sold more than ten years ago ( 1 200€ !!! ) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317104-summilux-35mm-vs-nokton-classic-3514-ii/?do=findComment&comment=4122361'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 21, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Just for fun ... Summilux/Noctilux were mandatory in the old day of Kodachrome 25/64 seen here ...clic for bigger pic but now I use them less , favoring the compact, light lenses when possible (Summaron, Summarit, Elmar, etc.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! already seen here Edited January 21, 2021 by a.noctilux 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! already seen here ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317104-summilux-35mm-vs-nokton-classic-3514-ii/?do=findComment&comment=4122368'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 21, 2021 Share #12 Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steven said: I like the Titanium one. It costs about triple the price now. Were you happy with it ? I like silver lenses on my camera, it seemed a nice alternative to the Steel rim. Steven, I use the lens as most lenses at that time, without "arrière pensée" and I had no choice. I was happy of my kit by then. So why I sold the lovely lens then ? I had the Summilux-M 35mm asph. which was much better lens **, so I thought I would never regret the 35 pre-asph. Ti, but with time it was otherwise. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ** this one over time too heavy to use and carry, so I replaced the Ti coated with lighter same lens black anodized we can see it here as "fun kit" with Monochrome/M-A plus my present black pre-asph. 35 Summilux ... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ** this one over time too heavy to use and carry, so I replaced the Ti coated with lighter same lens black anodized we can see it here as "fun kit" with Monochrome/M-A plus my present black pre-asph. 35 Summilux ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317104-summilux-35mm-vs-nokton-classic-3514-ii/?do=findComment&comment=4122393'>More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted January 21, 2021 Share #13 Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Steven said: Not sure I do! But if you do, enlighten me! Summilux 35 pre aspherical v2 ! Ernst Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted January 21, 2021 Share #14 Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 12:35 PM, evikne said: I have owned both, but it's much cooler to have a real, classic Leica lens! On 1/18/2021 at 3:48 PM, Steven said: It was barely six month ago, and the prices have already gone up 60%. It's crazy. Nothing under 3K now. I've been interested in the Summilux 35 pre-ASPH versions with the goggles (11871) because, originally, I wanted one for my M3, but was also interested in having the minimum focus distance at 0.65m. I bought one from a good seller in Capetown. It was fine optically and cosmetically (black), but the image through the goggles did not line up at infinity. The trouble was that it arrived late — it got to me in the States a week before I was leaving for Paris and Thailand for six months – and, as I had no time to have it fixed or even to research whether I could do that myself, I sent it back to the seller (an eBay store), who had clearly been unaware of this fault. The price, as I recall, had been $1600 — now I wish I had kept it. Anyone know how the price and availability situations is now on this lens? The goggles unbalanced the M10 and the M3 a bit, but didn't seem to bother me when I tried it, as I recall. Any views on this lens? ________________________Frog Leaping photobook Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted January 21, 2021 Share #15 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) ^ Dunno, but why would you want to take off the goggles since they work fine on the M10? If it were possible to take them off, would that not compromise the minimum 0.65 m focus capability? ________________________Frog Leaping photobook Edited January 21, 2021 by Nowhereman Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 21, 2021 Share #16 Posted January 21, 2021 At the beginning of my film adventure I consecutively owned two of the pre-asph Summilux 35 lenses - I don't recall which versions but I think they were v2's, and they were both cosmetically in very perfect shape, with totally clear glass. But I thought they were both horribly unusable at ƒ1,4 with exaggeratedly glowing halos around pretty much everything, so I sold them, and bought a Summicron 35 instead, which I've enjoyed enormously. I recently bought a Nokton classic 35 to put on the Leica T, and I personally find it a much nicer lens (and I generally like lenses with a lot of 'character'), but in the case of the Summiluxes they were simply too dreamy, even for my taste. In retrospect I wish I'd kept one of the Summiluxes, but only because of the snobbery value and also because of the ridiculous inflation on Leica lenses - I sold them both for a fraction of what they would cost now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 21, 2021 Share #17 Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Nowhereman said: I've been interested in the Summilux 35 pre-ASPH versions with the goggles (11871) because, originally, I wanted one for my M3, but was also interested in having the minimum focus distance at 0.65m. I bought one from a good seller in Capetown. It was fine optically and cosmetically (black), but the image through the goggles did not line up at infinity. The trouble was that it arrived late — it got to me in the States a week before I was leaving for Paris and Thailand for six months – and, as I had no time to have it fixed or even to research whether I could do that myself, I sent it back to the seller (an eBay store), who had clearly been unaware of this fault. The price, as I recall, had been $1600 — now I wish I had kept it. Anyone know how the price and availability situations is now on this lens? The goggles unbalanced the M10 and the M3 a bit, but didn't seem to bother me when I tried it, as I recall. Any views on this lens? Never had this lens, but got a goggled Summicron 35 for use on my M3. As received the goggles did not focus correctly - but DAG serviced the lens and adjusted the googles so that they worked fine. However, the view through the goggles on my M3 was still less clear than the 35 view on my M4 or M6, so I didn't use the M3 combination much. Later I had the M3 serviced with the viewfinder cleaned, which improved the finder enough that the view with the goggles is acceptable now. I still prefer a .72 finder for 35 without goggles. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 21, 2021 Share #18 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steven said: The no goggle one is in silver is around 15-20 while the one with googles is around 7. is there a way to transform the google version into a regular lens for use on an m 10? Steven , yes, the goggled version of the 35 Summilux v1 (steel rim ) or v2 can be modified to be used without the goggles and focused with the rangefinder . Their helicoid needs to be machined and adapted but then it is definitive. The modified lenses will loose their original value. Had a modified 35 Steel rim v1 ex goggled lens for some time and sold it to a member of the forum . It was for sell in the LUF classifieds recently actually ! Best, JM. Edited January 21, 2021 by JMF Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted January 21, 2021 Share #19 Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Nowhereman said: ^ Dunno, but why would you want to take off the goggles since they work fine on the M10? If it were possible to take them off, would that not compromise the minimum 0.65 m focus capability? ________________________Frog Leaping photobook Only my personal opinion but they are the most awful thing that Leica has ever produced. They were, in effect the admission that Leica had got the M3 totally wrong. The situation was only rectified with the release of the infinitely nicer M2. Ernst 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 21, 2021 Share #20 Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Ernstk said: They were, in effect the admission that Leica had got the M3 totally wrong And perfectly right for 50mm shooters . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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