With the Noctilux f1.2 coming...

[M10Alpine]

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There is some anticipation that Leica will release a "heritage" f1.2 Noctilux. 

Whats are you thinking?

Whats your expectations ?

How do you see it fit in - given the pretty potent 50mm range that already exist?

Is this more a collectors item or will you make changes in your 50mm lineup? 

Elaborate freely. Personally I'm so exited about this lens, I think it can potentially be a very good middle ground and compliment. 

[setuporg]

The 0.95 and 1.0 give a good range, dreamy and magical.  With the APO 50 I'd be hard pressed to imagine a distinctive look, but I'm sure it will be found if that's a faithful copy of the $30K lens?:)  The problem is, the original was manually ground in a very limited quantities, so I wonder how will the clone be faithful to that?

[colint544]

The current 50mm 0.95 Noctilux and 1.4 Summilux ASPH can exhibit 'onion ring' patterns in the out of focus highlights. I don't know about the 50 Summicron APO, but it has an aspherical element that is molded from a pressed blank, rather than ground, so I'm guessing it's likely the same. It looks unpleasant, and shouldn't really be a characteristic of lenses which cost many thousands of pounds.

Would be nice if Leica could banish this feature. Maybe the 1.2 Noctilux will be the first to be onion-ring free.

[pippy]

1 hour ago, M10Alpine said:

There is some anticipation that Leica will release a "heritage" f1.2 Noctilux....Whats are you thinking?...

This is very weird. I know that there was already a thread with quite an in-depth discussion about the rumours and viewpoints surrounding the proposed f1.2 reissue but I'm beggared if I can find it anywhere in the M-Lens sub forum. I've gone back 12 pages without success but I might have overlooked it?...

Anybody know where it is?!?!

Philip.

[mmradman]

32 minutes ago, pippy said:

This is very weird. I know that there was already a thread with quite an in-depth discussion about the rumours and viewpoints surrounding the proposed f1.2 reissue but I'm beggared if I can find it anywhere in the M-Lens sub forum. I've gone back 12 pages without success but I might have overlooked it?...

Anybody know where it is?!?!

Philip.

You are correct, there was a thread not long ago, maybe it is currently on page 13.

[mmradman]

51 minutes ago, colint544 said:

The current 50mm 0.95 Noctilux and 1.4 Summilux ASPH can exhibit 'onion ring' patterns in the out of focus highlights. I don't know about the 50 Summicron APO, but it has an aspherical element that is molded from a pressed blank, rather than ground, so I'm guessing it's likely the same. It looks unpleasant, and shouldn't really be a characteristic of lenses which cost many thousands of pounds.

Would be nice if Leica could banish this feature. Maybe the 1.2 Noctilux will be the first to be onion-ring free.

Agree on the onion rings, very common across Leica M ASPH lenses and easy to provoke.

One of the reasons original f1.2 Noctilux was not a commercial success was the high reject rate when hand polishing aspherical elements in th 1970s. Can Leica/Panasonic improve on this in 2020/21 time will tell. Worth noting few years ago it was published that Panasonic developed glass pressing that creates onion ring free optics, perhaps people with SL lenses can chip in.

[frame-it]

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39 minutes ago, pippy said:

This is very weird. I know that there was already a thread with quite an in-depth discussion about the rumours and viewpoints surrounding the proposed f1.2 reissue but I'm beggared if I can find it anywhere in the M-Lens sub forum. I've gone back 12 pages without success but I might have overlooked it?...

Anybody know where it is?!?!

Philip.

 

[jaeger]

If I didn't have the summilux BC, I might consider this.

[M10Alpine]

Assuming you have a 50mm APO - a 50mm PRE ASPH Summilux (1966 in my case) but no 50mm ASPH Summilux an no Noctilux because of size.

Then this heritage lens will be interesting. I like to think it has some characteristics that ties back to that Noctilux dream style yet a bit smaller and a lot sexier designing. I never bought a 0.95 Noctilux because of size and looks. I had a Noctilux  f1.0 (I only use M). 

[a.noctilux]

Hello everyone.

Talking about onion ring, the original (1967 AA ) 1.2/50 Noctilux does have those.

I see in the Bill Rosauer's article here

Examining the non-asph. Noctilux 1/50 pics, I've never found those onion rings.

Maybe why I prefer the 1.0 ,

but if possible, I'd give the new 1.2 Noctilux a try when available.

Maybe possible application of

the end of onion rings (link)

another nice read,

here

Edited December 28, 2020 by a.noctilux

[farnz]

44 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Examining the non-asph. Noctilux 1/50 pics, I've never found those onion rings.

Nor I.

Pete.

[otto.f]

15 hours ago, M10Alpine said:

a "heritage" f1.2 Noctilux.

Depends on the price, I’m not inclined to pay the price of a noctilux 75 for it. But this is in itself probably a better initiative than the Thambar 90 or the Summaron 28, less would-be I guess. If the price is just ok, the most important thing for me would be the shortest object distance, if that remains 1m I’ll pass. I was never that happy with the Summilux 50 asph on digital, so I might want something with less depth of field than my Elmar-M 50.

[Herr Barnack]

15 hours ago, setuporg said:

The 0.95 and 1.0 give a good range, dreamy and magical.  With the APO 50 I'd be hard pressed to imagine a distinctive look, but I'm sure it will be found if that's a faithful copy of the $30K lens?:)  The problem is, the original was manually ground in a very limited quantities, so I wonder how will the clone be faithful to that?

I would expect it to be an improved/upgraded heritage Noctilux f/1.2, manufactured using current technology.  As for price, I'd expect it to sell for around what the Noctilux 0.95 sells for, give or take.

This proposed f/1.2 version is not a lens would buy, as I have a f/1.0 Noctilux and am pleased with it.

[M10Alpine]

The Heritage Noctilux will be made in Black Chrome priced at around 7000€. The will make about 1800 copies from what I'm told. The Limited Silver will be 15.000€ - and only 100 copies world wide. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by M10Alpine

[a.noctilux]

I hope that the new Noctilux 1.2/50 price not to shy people away.

Under 8 000€ would be OK for me.

1 800 pieces that is a big number for such a niche lens.

 

[pedaes]

55 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

1 800 pieces that is a big number for such a niche lens.

Over the years I would think. That would be a significant amount of production resource in a single batch in Covid times.

[M10Alpine]

39 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Over the years I would think. That would be a significant amount of production resource in a single batch in Covid times.

I only relayed what I heard - no idea if true or factually correct

[Dr No]

My only expectation is it will be extremely expensive, the highest ever seen.

[a.noctilux]

1 hour ago, Dr No said:

My only expectation is it will be extremely expensive, the highest ever seen.

We will see if this 1.2/50 Noctilux will be extremely ( not sellable ! ) or only just expensive ( as said, I'll give it a try when available post #10, and we will see if it's 8 000€ or more or even less why not)...

I'm quite concerned if Leica will use as 1967's original Serie VIII filters which are very hard to find ( I have none yet colored filters to use on Monochrom mainly ).

Edited December 28, 2020 by a.noctilux

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[Dr No]

12 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

We will see if this 1.2/50 Noctilux will be extremely ( not sellable ! ) or only just expensive ( as said, I'll give it a try when available post #10, and we will see if it's 8 000€ or more or even less why not)...

I'm quite concerned if Leica will use as 1967's original Serie VIII filters which are very hard to find ( I have none yet colored filters to use on Monochrom mainly ).

I think the rumour is €15,000.