P1505 Posted February 17, 2021 Share #261 Posted February 17, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) It’s likely they’ll make a QM, but they’ll not stop the rangefinder models as that’s the core of the entire Leica history and brand philosophy and will always sell no matter what. But also, can we all stop worrying about things that don’t really matter that much like critical focus and micro contrast and all that guff (admit I’m trolling a bit here) and instead think about the experience of using an M. The best most awarded most fantastic images ever made are often out of focus a bit, a bit blurry, a lot of technical imperfections. But nobody cares because the stuff going on in front of the lens was interesting. And to say you can’t shoot a Noctilux on a high res sensor without an EVF is silly. Of course you can. People do. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #262 Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, P1505 said: they’ll not stop the rangefinder models Why would they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted February 17, 2021 Share #263 Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, lct said: Why would they? I dunno. Don’t think they will. Was responding to the comments about M needing an EVF to remain viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #264 Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, P1505 said: I dunno. Don’t think they will. Was responding to the comments about M needing an EVF to remain viable. I must have missed those comments then sorry. Only question (to me) is to know if Leica will offer an M mount camera with built-in EVF to complement its film and digital RF line, not to replace it needless to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted February 17, 2021 Share #265 Posted February 17, 2021 I think they will. Like the Q, but with the M Mount. But you could argue the SL and CL are that with an adaptor on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #266 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, P1505 said: It’s likely they’ll make a QM, but they’ll not stop the rangefinder models as that’s the core of the entire Leica history and brand philosophy and will always sell no matter what. But also, can we all stop worrying about things that don’t really matter that much like critical focus and micro contrast and all that guff (admit I’m trolling a bit here) and instead think about the experience of using an M. The best most awarded most fantastic images ever made are often out of focus a bit, a bit blurry, a lot of technical imperfections. But nobody cares because the stuff going on in front of the lens was interesting. And to say you can’t shoot a Noctilux on a high res sensor without an EVF is silly. Of course you can. People do. I have never said that they will or should stop the rangefinder , but there is a need for a m mount camera with evf Edited February 17, 2021 by cirke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #267 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 minutes ago, P1505 said: I dunno. Don’t think they will. Was responding to the comments about M needing an EVF to remain viable. Because you cannot read properly as for shooting with noctilux , there is a huge difference with m9 m240 and m with 50mp Edited February 17, 2021 by cirke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted February 17, 2021 Share #268 Posted February 17, 2021 Didn't read all the comments on earlier pages. My guess is that the M11 will be similar to the M10-R with IBIS. EVF might remain optional as hotshoe-based accessory (including GPS) for additional $$$. If I had unlimited funds, the current M10-R would be my preferred camera which would checkmark pretty much all I desire from a digital camera at this point. IBIS is nice to have but not a must for me since I know quite well how to work with 40MP FF sensors without having it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted February 17, 2021 Share #269 Posted February 17, 2021 Guess you missed my comment about trolling? Anyway, you can still shoot a Noctilux on an M10R. If it has 100mp you can still use it. It’s not a nonsense. Unless it is, in which case please explain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted February 17, 2021 Share #270 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, lct said: Don't count me in please. I mostly use my mirrorless cameras with manual lenses, M and R ones essentially, and they work fine this way, often better so than my rangefinders i must say. There is some room for both anyway so i don't even understand that it can be an issue for anybody. YMMV. Both type of cameras would be OK. Even a combined one would be great (if no quality compromise to the RF-OVF). But not instead of. Leica is the only manufacture of modern rangefinders remaining. Let us not wish for them to the last one to quit making RF cameras. I think it is a bit of hidden treasure that you still can buy new rangefinders made today. I really love that Leica still provides that opportunity to us photographers. ❤️ Edited February 17, 2021 by martinot 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #271 Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, martinot said: But not instead of. Nobody's asking for that AFAIK, this would be totally stupid anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted February 17, 2021 Share #272 Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, lct said: Nobody's asking for that AFAIK, this would be totally stupid anyway. Please follow the thread more carefully. Check the post that I replied to and read slowly: On 2/11/2021 at 10:23 PM, Steven said: Is it really bad that my wish for the future M is that it has a high quality EVF instead of OVF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 17, 2021 Share #273 Posted February 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, P1505 said: Guess you missed my comment about trolling? Anyway, you can still shoot a Noctilux on an M10R. If it has 100mp you can still use it. It’s not a nonsense. Unless it is, in which case please explain. It rather depends if you use your Leica to take actual photographs or spend your time shooting lens charts, book cases or brick walls. 😄 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 17, 2021 Share #274 Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, cirke said: A 50 mm Noctilux to use on APS-C sensor ? I used my first Noctilux on my M8, which had a sensor not much bigger than APS-C. Loved it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #275 Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, martinot said: Please follow the thread more carefully I did, or tried to do so but nobody's claiming that EVF cameras should or would replace RF cameras here, why would they? Some of us just want an M mount camera with an EVF instead of a rangefinder. As simple as that. Edited February 17, 2021 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted February 17, 2021 Share #276 Posted February 17, 2021 I still crave an M8 and can’t tell you why. For B&W. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjun Posted February 17, 2021 Share #277 Posted February 17, 2021 I too would like an EVF camera with the M form factor which was optimised for M mount lenses... with thin sensor cover glass and perhaps special microlenses. But it might be better if it were not made by Leica, since then it would likely be much more affordable. It would be nice to think that Cosina or Zeiss might be up for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted February 17, 2021 Share #278 Posted February 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, lct said: I did, or tried to do so but nobody's claiming that EVF cameras should or would replace RF cameras here, why would they? Some of us just want an M mount camera with an EVF instead of a rangefinder. As simple as that. Feels like Kafka world and going in circles on repeat. Steve: "Is it really bad that my wish for the future M is that it has a high quality EVF instead of OVF?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted February 17, 2021 Share #279 Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, martinot said: Feels like Kafka world and going in circles on repeat. The difference is that in Kafka's world things never happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2021 Share #280 Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, martinot said: Feels like Kafka world and going in circles on repeat. Steve: "Is it really bad that my wish for the future M is that it has a high quality EVF instead of OVF?" Kafka or Ubu? Steve would like a future M with a high quality EVF instead of OVF exactly as i would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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