Leica Macro Adapter M

[seekwul]

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Hi

What is the difference between Leica 14409 (Leica Macro Adapter M for 90mm f/4 Macro Lens) and Leica 14652 (Leica Macro-Adapter-M) ? Is it only that the 14409 has the built in eyes that are configured to work with the 90mm lens (so you can use the viewfinder on the M series) and the 14652 requires the EVF or auxiliary finder ? 

 

Somehow I seem to have both of them. I assume the 14409 came with the 90mm f/4 Macro Lens that I bought a few years back, but have no idea how/where/why I also have a 14652. 

 

Thanks

Brad

[lct]

To recall the order numbers:
• 11629 is the earlier 90/4 macro set (lens, macro adapter, angle finder)
• 11633 is the earlier 90/4 macro lens, black version
• 11634 is the earlier 90/4 macro lens, silver version
• 11670 is the current 90/4 macro lens, black version
• 12575 is the metal clip-on hood for both lenses
• 14409 is the earlier macro adapter
• 14652 is the current macro adapter

[seekwul]

Hmm. So the 14652 is just the newer version of the 14409 ? 

 

The14409 has “eyes” - so I can’t use that stacked on my SL2. But I was able to get semi decent results from the 14652 - I need to put this on a tripod though.

 

No idea at all how I wound up with both. Strange.

[lct]

6 hours ago, seekwul said:

The14409 has “eyes” - so I can’t use that stacked on my SL2.

I can do it on my CL. I can even stack both adapters if needed

[pyracine]

10 hours ago, seekwul said:

Hmm. So the 14652 is just the newer version of the 14409 ? 

The newer version can be extended or retracted, so the magnification ratio can change accordingly.

[dgc]

On 12/6/2020 at 10:10 AM, lct said:

I can do it on my CL. I can even stack both adapters if needed

Can I just confirm you can use this adapter (the 14409 with goggles) on your CL with the M to L adapter. I am hoping I can use my 90mm f2 for macro work on my TL2.

Thanks.

[lct]

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10 hours ago, dgc said:

Can I just confirm you can use this adapter (the 14409 with goggles) on your CL with the M to L adapter. I am hoping I can use my 90mm f2 for macro work on my TL2.

Yes you can but the lens will be mounted upside down and you can only do proxy photo this way. The MFD will be reduced to 0.5m more or less instead of 1m. For macro works you'll need to stack another adapter.

[dgc]

Sorry for troubling you further, but what do you mean by 'proxy photo'?  I say macro work, but it will largely be for film scanning 35mm and 6x6 negatives, so if I understand you correctly I should be ok for MFD of negatives but if I wanted to take a picture of a spider's eyeball from 5cm away then I would need to stack another adapter?

One other thing,  would it be  a false economy to buy a second hand 14409 at half the price of a new macro adapter, that is, does the new macro adapter do anything more than the 14409? I do not intend to use the macro for film and I have the visioflex for my TL2 (I intend to upgrade to the CL2 when it comes out).

 

[lct]

Main difference between 14409 and 14652 Macro-Adapter-M's is the former has goggles and the later has a focusing helicoid. Also the 14409 has a focus cam that will get in the way of some lenses when mounting them to the adapter. None adapter will allow you to scan a 35mm film with your 90/2 lens anyway. You could do it with a lens having a shorter MFD like the CV 35/2 which can focus at 0.58m eventually. Hope this helps but the 14409 adapter is made to be used with a Macro-Elmar-M 90/4 on rangefinders so i'm not sure your idea to use it on a digital CL is the best one .

Edited May 12, 2021 by lct

[Robert Blanko]

Am 5.12.2020 um 21:22 schrieb seekwul:

Hi

What is the difference between Leica 14409 (Leica Macro Adapter M for 90mm f/4 Macro Lens) and Leica 14652 (Leica Macro-Adapter-M) ? Is it only that the 14409 has the built in eyes that are configured to work with the 90mm lens (so you can use the viewfinder on the M series) and the 14652 requires the EVF or auxiliary finder ? 

 

Somehow I seem to have both of them. I assume the 14409 came with the 90mm f/4 Macro Lens that I bought a few years back, but have no idea how/where/why I also have a 14652. 

 

Thanks

Brad

Hi Brad,

IMHO, both adapters are primarily for the 90/4 macro lens ( https://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Technical-Equipment/Adapter/Macro-Adapter-M?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_eng_gb/108445 ).

The 14652 is the newer model which can be adjusted via helicoil whereas the other is (I believe) fixed. The other difference is of course the integration of the eyes, as you mentioned.

With the helicoid fully retracted you may use the 90/4 retracted and it will work as if extended to working position - however you will of course lose the rangefinder coupling...

Best,

RB

[Robert Blanko]

I think that for both adapters an EVF is very helpful, if not mandatory, as you will not have rangefinder coupling.

[Photoworks]

14652 has 6bit coding for the 90 macro. I still use it on other camera with other M lenses.

If you try to can film it is better to have a lens that is corrected for macro work and does 1:1 reproduction for 35mm film.

The 90mm Macro is one of the sharpers lens and it is very well suited for reproductions .

[satijntje]

Can somebody tell me if it is possible to use the earlier version of the Macro-Elmar-R 90mm lens (so 11633) with the new adapter (11652)?
I bought a macro set 11629 last weekend with the intention to mainly use the 90mm Elmar as a portrait lens, but Corona times might guide  me to some indoor macro shoots with my M10p  🙂

[lct]

4 hours ago, satijntje said:

Can somebody tell me if it is possible to use the earlier version of the Macro-Elmar-R 90mm lens (so 11633) with the new adapter (11652)? [...]

You mean Macro-Elmar-M 90/4 v1 (11633) and Macro-Adapter-M v2 (14652) i guess. If so yes they work perfectly together but in LV/EVF mode preferably as the adapter is not coupled to the rangefinder.

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Edited May 25, 2021 by lct

[Crem]

Does anyone know if the old goggles macro adapter (14409) works with the latest 90mm macro elmar (11670) when using the rangefinder? I have both parts here and they don't appear to work together on a digital M. By that I mean the rangefinder patch is way off from what I see in live view at minimum focus. I'm trying to make sense if the goggles adapter is mis-calibrated or not compatible with the latest macro elmar 90mm. The lens works great and I know it's properly calibrated (when used without the adapter).

[dpitt]

@Crem The new adapter can be used with the older lens. The only disadvantage of the older lens (I have that one but neither adapter) seems to be that it will not lock in position if you collapse it. It will work and focus right, but setting the aperture might be a bit more fiddly and you need to make sure it stays fully collapsed to reach infinity.
I think that the newer lens should also work on the goggled adapter and focus right because it has the same dimensions and helicoid.

The main advantage of the older adapter is that it can be used on older Ms without LV or EVF capability because it has rangefinder coupling.  It should work with other lenses (as well as the new adapter) as long as you do not expect the rangefinder to work. Not sure if they will all fit. Sometimes Leica makes a subtle change to the mount to make sure that you will use it as intended.

If you want to see a lot of macro options in action on the SL including the Macro 90 M with adapter...

Red Dot forum the Macro issue

Edited May 3, 2024 by dpitt

[Crem]

@dpitt thank you for the response and info! I have both the old goggles macro adapter M and the newer one made for digital. My hope was to use both adapters with the latest version of the 90mm macro elmar (11670). Basically one lens I can use for both digital and film by using different adapters.

When I use the goggles adapter + latest macro elmar 90 + M10-R with good RF calibration I end up with image that are very blurry. I compared the goggled rangefinder focus to live view and it appears the image is somewhere around 5 - 8 centimeters out of focus at minimum distance. Basically unusable.

I can only think of three possibilities:

1. The old goggles adapter isn't compatible with the latest macro elmar.
2. The goggles are out of calibration.
3. My latest 90 macro elmar is defective in some way when used with goggles.

Unfortunately I don't have the old version of the 90 macro elmar to compare with. I'm leaning toward #1 or #2 above, but I don't really have a way to test.

 

[lct]

6 minutes ago, Crem said:

[...] I can only think of three possibilities:

1. The old goggles adapter isn't compatible with the latest macro elmar.
2. The goggles are out of calibration.
3. My latest 90 macro elmar is defective in some way when used with goggles.

 

I only own the old version of the Macro-Elmar 90/4 that works fine in RF and LV/EVF modes with both old and new macro adapters on M11. The new version of the lens being optically the same i would vote for options 2 or 3.

[Crem]

13 minutes ago, lct said:

 

I only own the old version of the Macro-Elmar 90/4 that works fine in RF and LV/EVF modes with both old and new macro adapters on M11. The new version of the lens being optically the same i would vote for options 2 or 3.

Glad to hear the older lens version works with both adapters. If I could go back I would have purchased the older version of the lens. Hopefully the problem is the goggles, but I suspect there is a chance it's a problem with the inner helicoid of the lens. I'll never know for sure unless I buy/borrow more copies to test.

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[lct]

Could be wise to ask Leica if the new lens is supposed to work well with the old adapter.