TM1ka Posted February 18, 2021 Share #281 Posted February 18, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica M240 , Blende 4, dng-jpg (OOC) Vienna the Mob Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4143786'>More sharing options...
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colonel Posted February 18, 2021 Share #282 Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 4:57 PM, crony said: Hi, my other M mount 50s (Leica Summarit, Summcron, ZEISS Planar, Sonnar) are also very good. - I simply enjoy playing with my new toy! great collection What would your quick +/- be on the Voigtlander f2, Zeiss f1.5 and Zeiss f2 ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 18, 2021 Share #283 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, colonel said: great collection What would your quick +/- be on the Voigtlander f2, Zeiss f1.5 and Zeiss f2 ? Hi, actually, I thought about this and looked through my files... --- The 1,5 Sonnar is a special lens, one might even say capricious, with focus shift. If you want get maximum bokeh wide open, this is dificult without live-view. The Lanthar seems to have equal bokeh quality at least to the 2,0 Planar, and to the Sonnar at 2,8. The Lanthar seems to be sharper, contrastier than the Planar, which is followed by the Sonnar. Colour rendering is very much a matter of taste, the Sonnar seems to be my best, the other two being equal. What I do not like about the ZEISS lenses: the lens cap is extremely fiddly to put on with the original lens hood fitted. But I do not know how the Lanthar behaves in this respect. I have a low-cost Leica-look-alike screw-in metal one from China. The original Voigtländer lenshood does not fit properly, it has play. You see, I have difficulties naming clear winners, which speaks for my lenses (or against me). Last Sunday, I was in Wiesbaden/D with my M9 and the Lanthar. With the Planar I took many pics of the same subjects some time before. I plan to do the same with the Sonnar which might lead me to stronger statements. Of course this is no ceteris-paribus testing, just gaining impressions. --- (There are competitions ending like the race in Alice in Wonderland ...) I suppose when I show Lanthar sample pics here, people might get an idea how their lenses behave in similar situations. Edited February 18, 2021 by crony parenthesis 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted February 18, 2021 Share #284 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) On 2/17/2021 at 8:57 AM, crony said: Hi, my other M mount 50s (Leica Summarit, Summcron, ZEISS Planar, Sonnar) are also very good. - I simply enjoy playing with my new toy! Thank you for all of the photos you've posted! I'd love to see a photo showing the size difference (especially the difference in length) between these lenses - especially between the Planar and the new APO-Lanthar. Am also curious if there is an appreciable difference in photographic results between the Planar and new APO-Lanthar. It may be that my subconscious is trying to tell me its ok to not buy this new lens but so far, I don't see anything (other than size and weight) that stands out as a huge difference between the two. I guess that's an akward way of asking for some direct comparison photos... edit: disclaimer, I have the Planar and love it. Edited February 18, 2021 by BradS thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 18, 2021 Share #285 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) Hi, @ BradS, lens sizes : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The metric ruler might help when estimating sizes ... Edited February 18, 2021 by crony Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The metric ruler might help when estimating sizes ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144073'>More sharing options...
crony Posted February 18, 2021 Share #286 Posted February 18, 2021 Hi, @BradS here are two examples, both at f 2. Planar: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lanthar : There is much variation, of course. No ceteris paribus ... But it might give an idea --- Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lanthar : There is much variation, of course. No ceteris paribus ... But it might give an idea --- ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144096'>More sharing options...
crony Posted February 18, 2021 Share #287 Posted February 18, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, now that we have started. Another set. Planar f 2: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lanthar f 2: Planar f 8: Lanthar f 8: As I said, much variation, but one can always gain a little information from pics like these ... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lanthar f 2: Planar f 8: Lanthar f 8: As I said, much variation, but one can always gain a little information from pics like these ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144116'>More sharing options...
tgray Posted February 18, 2021 Share #288 Posted February 18, 2021 Nothing exhaustive, but here are a few comparison on an M10 Monochrom with the Summilux ASPH, C Sonnar, and Apo-Lanthar. https://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/sets/72157718187281542/ 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Friedman Posted February 18, 2021 Share #289 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) More comparison images of limited usefulness, comparing the VM Nokton 40 f1.2 and the Apo-Lanthar f2... both lenses shot wide open at close to minimum focus distance. The 40 is quite sharp in the center with nice dreamy out of focus at f1.2 - almost a radial blur. The Lanthar, with its sharp edge to edge performance, shows detail in the wood surface at the focal plane to the edge of the frame. Color rendition seems very similar between the two lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 18, 2021 by Alan Friedman 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144220'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 19, 2021 Share #290 Posted February 19, 2021 6 hours ago, crony said: Hi, @ BradS, lens sizes : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The metric ruler might help when estimating sizes ... The Lanthar extends deeper into the camera body than the other lenses, so to get a true idea of the size mounted on a camera you should "zero" the ruler at the flange surface, not the back of the lens optics. Still looks longer, but not as much as the scale reads. For me the extra length is a negative factor, regardless of performance. That's why I prefer the 2.5 Summitar, and for 35s the 1.4 Nokton 1.4 II over the TT or 7A versions. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted February 19, 2021 Share #291 Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Alan Friedman said: ....comparing the VM Nokton 40 f1.2 and the Apo-Lanthar f2... both lenses shot wide open .... I'm sorry, don't take this wrong...I just don't understand....f/1.2 is one and a half stops faster than f/2...why compare them wide open? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 19, 2021 Share #292 Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, TomB_tx said: The Lanthar extends deeper into the camera body than the other lenses, so to get a true idea of the size mounted on a camera you should "zero" the ruler at the flange surface, not the back of the lens optics. Still looks longer, but not as much as the scale reads. For me the extra length is a negative factor, regardless of performance. That's why I prefer the 2.5 Summitar, and for 35s the 1.4 Nokton 1.4 II over the TT or 7A versions. Hi, you are right! 👍The Lanthar is 6mm shorter when mounted. For me, lenses should be compact, too. That is why I do not like using my ZEISS Distagon 1,4/35 and the VOIGTLÄNDER Nokton 1,2/35 V1 very much ... --- This makes the Apo-Summicron more attractive than the Lanthar. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 19, 2021 Share #293 Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, crony said: Hi, you are right! 👍The Lanthar is 6mm shorter when mounted. For me, lenses should be compact, too. That is why I do not like using my ZEISS Distagon 1,4/35 and the VOIGTLÄNDER Nokton 1,2/35 V1 very much ... --- This makes the Apo-Summicron more attractive than the Lanthar. Caution: Measurements were made with a screw-in non-VOIGTLÄNDER lens hood. Values might be different with the original VOIGTLÄNDER lens hood! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share #294 Posted February 19, 2021 APO-LANTHAR 50mm vs. APO-SUMMICRON 50mm vs. Otus 55mm with Leica M10-R ＆ Sony α7R III (+LEICA M10 MONOCHROM) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 19, 2021 Share #295 Posted February 19, 2021 Hi, a few more Lanthar samples : f 2: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! f 8: 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! f 8: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144422'>More sharing options...
Edax Posted February 19, 2021 Share #296 Posted February 19, 2021 M10p, f/2.0 at minimum focus distance Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4144684'>More sharing options...
Alan Friedman Posted February 19, 2021 Share #297 Posted February 19, 2021 12 hours ago, BradS said: I'm sorry, don't take this wrong...I just don't understand....f/1.2 is one and a half stops faster than f/2...why compare them wide open? Sure... a good question. I did shoot this still life with the 40 f1.2 at f2 and as you'd expect, the resulting images are even more similar. I expect most comparisons will focus on the critical sharpness of the APO50, especially off-center and in comparison to the much more expensive Leica APO Summicron. For me, the rendering character is what I'm looking at in comparison to other lenses in my bag of a similar focal length. In the end, the lens most often on my camera is going to be my best lens and the lens+camera set-up that gets schlepped around most is going to produce the best images. I'd mount the 40 f1.2 to shoot it at f1.2 and the APO50 for its sharpness and absence of spurious color at f2. In the end, when I have to choose one, which will it be? Admittedly a very subjective look. We will have others that explore the limits of this lens technically and I will enjoy these comparisons too. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayenne Posted February 19, 2021 Share #298 Posted February 19, 2021 9 hours ago, padam said: APO-LANTHAR 50mm vs. APO-SUMMICRON 50mm vs. Otus 55mm with Leica M10-R ＆ Sony α7R III (+LEICA M10 MONOCHROM) To my untrained eye...for the most part the only difference I could see between the two APO's...was color rendering? For the most part they seem to look about the same....what about ya'll? C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted February 20, 2021 Share #299 Posted February 20, 2021 Hi, shopping progress, f 2: #1 Mineral water: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! #2 Beer : #3 Bockbier (strong beer) CAs : I was a little surprised to see the green CAs in #3. I thought the Apo design is supposed to eliminate those. So, this can happen ... --- (What to make of this? This can happen ... --- My wife would have said I told you so. Bockbier is not good for you. You asked for it ... ( 😉 )) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! #2 Beer : #3 Bockbier (strong beer) CAs : I was a little surprised to see the green CAs in #3. I thought the Apo design is supposed to eliminate those. So, this can happen ... --- (What to make of this? This can happen ... --- My wife would have said I told you so. Bockbier is not good for you. You asked for it ... ( 😉 )) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4145129'>More sharing options...
adan Posted February 20, 2021 Share #300 Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, crony said: I was a little surprised to see the green CAs in #3. I thought the Apo design is supposed to eliminate those. So, this can happen ... --- APO correction is about light of different colors focusing in the same plane. It provides no guarantees about unfocused light (i.e. fringes in the background/foreground blurs). (Image linked via wikimedia). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Additionally, any CA will be emphasized at an edge that is dark against a blown background (or blown highlight within a dark background), as the color channels are different brightnesses. Your most obvious green edges are dark things (bottle caps, window signs) silhouetted against the blown-out windows. Edited February 20, 2021 by adan 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Additionally, any CA will be emphasized at an edge that is dark against a blown background (or blown highlight within a dark background), as the color channels are different brightnesses. Your most obvious green edges are dark things (bottle caps, window signs) silhouetted against the blown-out windows. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315754-voigtlander-apo-lanthar-50mm-f2-aspherical-vm-lens-to-be-announced-soon/?do=findComment&comment=4145272'>More sharing options...
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