Jeffry Abt Posted October 3, 2021 Share #81 Posted October 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use the fotos app regularly… so you would like it to be taken away from those of us who use it contentedly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted October 3, 2021 Share #82 Posted October 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jeffry Abt said: I use the fotos app regularly… so you would like it to be taken away from those of us who use it contentedly? Well Leica took away browser access from wireless equipped cameras without any consultation with users, dealers or a "by your leave". They even left the menu item on the cameras but just stopped it working for no conceivable reason. Leica UK's technical guru said he was astonished by the stupidity of it as well, when what they needed to do was improve it so that it could view DNG images as well as JPEG. It means to get a photo from my SL/CL/M240/M10-R to a laptop, I either have to take the card out, which on the M10-R means taking my half case and the bottom cover off and then find where I have, ever so carefully, put my USB-C SD card reader away, since Apple (also stupidly IMHO) removed SD card readers from their laptops. The alternative is to use Fotos to transfer the photo to an iPad/iPhone and from there, Airdrop one by one to my laptop. I used to be able to view the cameras' IP addresses directly on a browser prior to Leica disabling that. Maybe just maybe, with the update of Mac OS 11 Big Sur to Monterey, I will be able to run Fotos iOS app direct on my laptop. The M10-R is very slow to fire up Fotos as well (compared with the SL or CL), taking around 35 to 40 seconds and then it takes an iOS device another 30 seconds to connect to the camera's wifi router unless it declines and/or Fotos crashes and it all has to be restarted Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 3, 2021 Share #83 Posted October 3, 2021 The fotos app works fine with my iPhone 7, M10 and SL2. More slowly with the SL2 (larger files?). I’m sure it can and will be improved over time. I do not buy Leica products with mobile devices in mind. So apps are low on my list of things to complain about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted October 3, 2021 Share #84 Posted October 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jeffry Abt said: The fotos app works fine with my iPhone 7, M10 and SL2. More slowly with the SL2 (larger files?). I’m sure it can and will be improved over time. I do not buy Leica products with mobile devices in mind. So apps are low on my list of things to complain about. I don't buy Leica products with mobile devices in mind either. In fact I have never ever had any cause to use Fotos. But I do buy Leica products for their supreme quality, I am prepared to pay a premium price for that, and I would therefore have a right to expect such quality, given the premium price I have paid. In the experience of the overwhelming majority of its users, not least as set out in this thread, the Leica Fotos App is self-evidently mediocre at best, and its users have every right to expect something substantially better. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 3, 2021 Share #85 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) masjah You are absolutely right! But what was said in post #80 "It should be time for Leica to take this Fotos app off the market." To that I disagree and I hope Leica keeps the app for those of who use it in our very limited fashion. Just my opinion. Edited October 3, 2021 by Jeffry Abt 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted October 3, 2021 Share #86 Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeffry Abt said: I’m sure it can and will be improved over time. Yeah, but how much time? It's been already on the market for a long time, and it hasn't improved at all. How much more time does it need? Ten years? Twenty years? We may not even have the cameras by then. Edited October 3, 2021 by Vlad Soare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 4, 2021 Share #87 Posted October 4, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, Jeffry Abt said: The fotos app works fine with my iPhone 7, M10 and SL2. More slowly with the SL2 (larger files?). I’m sure it can and will be improved over time. I do not buy Leica products with mobile devices in mind. So apps are low on my list of things to complain about. If only there was a tiltable screen on Leica cameras, I wouldn't even bother to download Fotos app. But we are forced to use it for low angle or high angle shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 4, 2021 Share #88 Posted October 4, 2021 After using the Sony or Fuji apps the Leica one is a dream in comparison. Connects easily to my Q2 (though a little slow) and the remote works well. Only issue so far is with geotagging which is unreliable 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted October 5, 2021 Share #89 Posted October 5, 2021 20 hours ago, viramati said: Only issue so far is with geotagging which is unreliable Wait a minute. What I see in this thread is a lot of people who are finding the Leica Fotos app crap (I’m currently in that camp too), then a lot of people who defend Leica by using various arguments ( small company, user stupidity, wifi setup problem at the user side, works for my intended use etc). All valid opinions. What you are saying is that the only issue you have is unreliable geotagging. While this is probably true and I don’t want to doubt what you are experiencing but this is exactly the perfect demonstration why the Leica Fotos app has “issues” that lead some people to call it “crap”. I suppose you also use some sort of mapping tool on your smart device like google maps or other navigation tool. I’m pretty sure you don’t see the same issues there as you see with the Leica Fotos app. And all these navigation tools like the Fotos app rely on the same location service system that is build in your smart device. So the only reason why geotagging would be unreliable (while your navigation app is reliable) is the poor implementation by Leica. Sorry to hijack your post for this but I do not think it is impossible to create a correct working app that coexists with a digital camera that rules out user stupidity, is robust and offers a fairly ok user experience and user interface. The fact that geotagging is unreliable is the perfect demonstration of the poor implementation of this Leica app as so many other apps are able to expose and use the location service build in the smart device OS correctly. Even my 11 year old car still knows exactly where I am. Would anyone accept an unreliable gps device in their cars in 2021 that sometimes know where it is and sometimes not? But I have faith in Leica that they will get there someday… in some Leitz-years from now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 5, 2021 Share #90 Posted October 5, 2021 All this carping is actually entirely reasonable; and it is amazing that Leica hasn’t solved the issue. Presumably there is someone, somewhere in Leica’s head office who is responsible for this? I don’t think anyone with a WiFi enabled Leica would say that the App is great. But, given the choice of the current manifestation and no WiFi at all? Don’t be daft. When it eventually connects, it’s fine - I gave up trying to download DNG files from the start, but remote control and review is really nice, and geotagging is of zero interest to me. However, if I need to change some setting deep in the bowels of my M10-D (a rare occurrence), I need it. So, Leica - FIX IT. It has had two upgrades (from memory) since it was released. You still haven’t got it right … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 5, 2021 Share #91 Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stef63 said: Wait a minute. What I see in this thread is a lot of people who are finding the Leica Fotos app crap (I’m currently in that camp too), then a lot of people who defend Leica by using various arguments ( small company, user stupidity, wifi setup problem at the user side, works for my intended use etc). All valid opinions. What you are saying is that the only issue you have is unreliable geotagging. While this is probably true and I don’t want to doubt what you are experiencing but this is exactly the perfect demonstration why the Leica Fotos app has “issues” that lead some people to call it “crap”. I suppose you also use some sort of mapping tool on your smart device like google maps or other navigation tool. I’m pretty sure you don’t see the same issues there as you see with the Leica Fotos app. And all these navigation tools like the Fotos app rely on the same location service system that is build in your smart device. So the only reason why geotagging would be unreliable (while your navigation app is reliable) is the poor implementation by Leica. Sorry to hijack your post for this but I do not think it is impossible to create a correct working app that coexists with a digital camera that rules out user stupidity, is robust and offers a fairly ok user experience and user interface. The fact that geotagging is unreliable is the perfect demonstration of the poor implementation of this Leica app as so many other apps are able to expose and use the location service build in the smart device OS correctly. Even my 11 year old car still knows exactly where I am. Would anyone accept an unreliable gps device in their cars in 2021 that sometimes know where it is and sometimes not? But I have faith in Leica that they will get there someday… in some Leitz-years from now. Hi All I was doing was comparing it to the Sony and Fuji apps. I use the Sony A7 and A9 series cameras professionally and I have also used the Fuji app. Both of them are a real pain to connect with to a camera compared to the Leica app and I have to say that I only really use the app for a remote control and not for downloading and editing. The sony app connect well when it come to geotagging but is a useless otherwise. the Fuji app just wouldn't even connect half the time and when it did it was useless for any sort of camera control. I used to use an older version of the Leica app when I had the leica Q and from what I remember that gave a lot more options when it came to camera set up Edited October 5, 2021 by viramati Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 6, 2021 Share #92 Posted October 6, 2021 20 hours ago, viramati said: Hi All I was doing was comparing it to the Sony and Fuji apps. I use the Sony A7 and A9 series cameras professionally and I have also used the Fuji app. Both of them are a real pain to connect with to a camera compared to the Leica app and I have to say that I only really use the app for a remote control and not for downloading and editing. The sony app connect well when it come to geotagging but is a useless otherwise. Can't talk about the Fuji, but the Sony app was quite ok. Connection worked flawlessly on my A7III and A7RIV, geotagging worked fine too, and it had more control options. It's ridiculous you cannot even do a bracketed shot with the Leica app. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 6, 2021 Share #93 Posted October 6, 2021 20 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: All this carping is actually entirely reasonable; and it is amazing that Leica hasn’t solved the issue. Presumably there is someone, somewhere in Leica’s head office who is responsible for this? I'm pretty sure they are relying on a third party company rather than developing the app in-house. That or it's a one man operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 6, 2021 Share #94 Posted October 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: I'm pretty sure they are relying on a third party company rather than developing the app in-house. That or it's a one man operation. I’m sure that’s right. But that third party reports to some one at Leica … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8X2 Posted October 8, 2021 Share #95 Posted October 8, 2021 Am 6.10.2021 um 19:10 schrieb IkarusJohn: I’m sure that’s right. But that third party reports to some one at Leica … If it is a third party, that third party has a spec sheet to implement and is working under a budget. Such products are not children of passion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 8, 2021 Share #96 Posted October 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, M8X2 said: If it is a third party, that third party has a spec sheet to implement and is working under a budget. Such products are not children of passion. Less than the cost of a 75mm Noctilux? 😊 Realistically, you can get a pretty good app written in India for around £50,000, including the first year of updates (my wife was a director of a company selling medical administration/scheduling and billing apps). Wilson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted October 9, 2021 Share #97 Posted October 9, 2021 17 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Less than the cost of a 75mm Noctilux? 😊 Realistically, you can get a pretty good app written in India for around £50,000, including the first year of updates (my wife was a director of a company selling medical administration/scheduling and billing apps). Wilson Let's not forget that this app has to go hand in hand with the camera software of the various Leica models (M, CL, SL etc) and different firmware versions of these models. I cannot imagine that Leica has completely outsourced the development of their camera firmware too. So in the event they outsources the development of the Fotos app it seems critical (and hard) to me to keep the two development teams and the two projects in sync. It is therefore not a coincidence that the majority of the complaints are situated in the area of obtaining a reliable connection and obtaining it fast. But all this is not an excuse of course. Apart from the connection problems there a too many other "issues" that make the Fotos not a stellar product. Far from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 9, 2021 Share #98 Posted October 9, 2021 The problems with the leica fotos app are not software related but are due to hardware issues………. I use the app on my IPad Pro 12.9 with Q2 and SL2 and it works 9 out of 10 times well. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted October 10, 2021 Share #99 Posted October 10, 2021 9 out of 10 is still not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 10, 2021 Share #100 Posted October 10, 2021 Maybe the apps were better when they were separate for each camera. The C112's app they just dumped, when it was only a few years out of production. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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