SL2-S

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4 hours ago, Steven said:

Confirmed. 
i also confirm that I strongly believe that if you don’t need the megapixels, the sl2s on top of being a better video camera is also a better and faster stills caméra. 
the picture that come out of it, in real life, are more beautiful to my eye. 
 

would you like me to do a video test and post a link for the aliasing? If yes, give as much details as possible for what you want. Daylight ? Nighttime ? Shutter speed, iso, caméra movement, codec, frame rate, etc ....! 

daylight and night time

dont care about iso 

23.976 fps shutter 50 

422 10bit mov /L-Log ALL-I full scan and pixel mix

6000 x 3368 (Pixel mix) 3840 x 2160

and

APS-C - 4K 3984 x 2240 (Full scan) 3840 x 2160 - 

[Dr. G]

5 hours ago, Steven said:

Confirmed. 
i also confirm that I strongly believe that if you don’t need the megapixels, the sl2s on top of being a better video camera is also a better and faster stills caméra. 
the picture that come out of it, in real life, are more beautiful to my eye. 
 

would you like me to do a video test and post a link for the aliasing? If yes, give as much details as possible for what you want. Daylight ? Nighttime ? Shutter speed, iso, caméra movement, codec, frame rate, etc ....! 

Dare I say that the SL2-S renders more like the original SL.  Colors, textures, etc.  I find myself grabbing the SL2-S for more types of shooting.  The SL2 still wins, in my opinion, for highly detailed and higher contrast monochrome images.  

[scott kirkpatrick]

 Edit:    I see some video tests are underway.  My comment isn't needed.

Edited December 31, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[scott kirkpatrick]

A small surprise with the SL2-S -- I was able to initiate a multi-shot high res picture from Fotos.  In all recent tries to set and fire off multi-shot or continuous series of images with an SL or SL2, using Fotos, the only effect was to save a single normal image.  But today I was using Fotos with my new SL2-S.  I set the camera up for multishot using the buttons on the camera, but while connected to Fotos.  Then in the Remote part of the app, I focused and took the shot.  The result was, for the first time, the pair of images, one 4X as big as the other.  I don't know if Fotos got this straightened out when I wasn't looking, or the SL2-S firmware has fixed some problem that prevented this with other SLs.  I'm using Android Fotos version 2.2.4

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

A small surprise with the SL2-S -- I was able to initiate a multi-shot high res picture from Fotos.  In all recent tries to set and fire off multi-shot or continuous series of images with an SL or SL2, using Fotos, the only effect was to save a single normal image.  But today I was using Fotos with my new SL2-S.  I set the camera up for multishot using the buttons on the camera, but while connected to Fotos.  Then in the Remote part of the app, I focused and took the shot.  The result was, for the first time, the pair of images, one 4X as big as the other.  I don't know if Fotos got this straightened out when I wasn't looking, or the SL2-S firmware has fixed some problem that prevented this with other SLs.  I'm using Android Fotos version 2.2.4

All they need to do now is separate the menus for multiple exposure Exposure Bracketing from delayed release - so you can do both together 

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Edited for correct terminology

Edited December 31, 2020 by LocalHero1953

[scott kirkpatrick]

39 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

All they need to do now is separate the menus for multiple exposure from delayed release - so you can do both together 

You can set multishot to delay by either 2 sec or 12 sec and leave it as you prefer.  Fotos is the obvious replacement for a cable release, so it is nice to see it working that way with multishot, even if you have to set it up on the camera, then push the button remotely through Fotos.  But it means that 2 sec delay is enough.

 

I just tried the same trick on an SL2. but after I sett it up for multishot and then pressed the shutter on the Fotos remote app, I got a single shot, and the camera was shifted back into single shot mode.  So the SL2-S has some extra support in its firmware.  I hope we see the same for the SL2 at some point (soon).

Edited December 31, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[Dr. G]

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I was thinking about something this morning.  My primary reason for keeping both the SL2 and the SL2-S was that I like the highly detailed, high contrast monochrome conversions that I get with the SL2.  I totally forgot about multi-shot.

I also wonder if Gigapixel AI could work for those types of images if originally shot at 24Mp with the SL2-S.  

[LocalHero1953]

53 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

You can set multishot to delay by either 2 sec or 12 sec and leave it as you prefer.  Fotos is the obvious replacement for a cable release, so it is nice to see it working that way with multishot, even if you have to set it up on the camera, then push the button remotely through Fotos.  But it means that 2 sec delay is enough.

 

I just tried the same trick on an SL2. but after I sett it up for multishot and then pressed the shutter on the Fotos remote app, I got a single shot, and the camera was shifted back into single shot mode.  So the SL2-S has some extra support in its firmware.  I hope we see the same for the SL2 at some point (soon).

On the camera menus, Self-Timer and Exposure Bracketing are, irritatingly, still mutually exclusive options on the Drive Mode menu. (I wrote "multiple exposures" when I meant "exposure bracketing" - I'll correct it to avoid confusion)

Edited December 31, 2020 by LocalHero1953

[Slender]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

I did the test, but I also left to the country side and my internet seems really slow. 5.5 GB uploading to dropbox says about 24 hours right now. It might speed up during the day though. 

Would stills from the video files help in the meantime, or aliasing only shows on moving images ? 

Thank you so very much @steven 🙂 that is awesome, so kind of you! Merci vraiment! Take your time to upload, it is fine for me to wait... my favorite Leica rep in London won't find my trading email request before the 7th or so 😅 ... Alliasing doesnt really show in stills, not really accurately or make the problem look much worse (or even appear in the first place because of resizing...). I can wait...

What did you see yourself, tell us if you can? Did alliasing showed up on fine, detailed structures or repetitive patterns of fabrics/architecture features? If so was it the same in APS-C or FF? That is the main "inconnue" for me, what can make it "the superior video" option besides better low light perfs.

I recently rewatched some Sony A7 MKIII event pictures I made for Tate Modern gallery earlier this year... supposedly the same sensor as the SL2s (but with much better Leica integration of hardware/software/less junk in front of filter as we know...) It is true the low light was quite something... I am just torn by the though that I might miss the higher res when the weather gets better, days get longer.... for "fine-art" (fat quotation marks) applications = tripod, long exposure, landscape... If the alliasing is cured in video (I have already seen the high iso SL2s videos, and already am in love with the SL2 patform and look, as you may recall 😌 ) , that might be the final draw, the droplet that can tip me into adopting a Sony sensored SL2s... 🤯... or at least be sure to take it as a secondary to my SL2...

Happy holidays to you and your family, and to the whole L-Camera community 🥳 😸🎉

[Aaron Daniel]

If anyone has the ability, it would be amazing to see some commercial or professional use settings with the SL2-S. I'm specifically looking to see if pulling the shadows/highlights are significantly cleaner on the SL2-s, specifically in l-log, or if the difference is minimal after colour correcting and grading. I still only have the SL2, but below is the closest I've got to a commercial situation with it. The fun starts at 0:24 (Shot in L-LOG, ProRes 422 exported to the Atomos Ninja):

 

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6 hours ago, Steven said:

FYI, I just posted on my Instagram story a one minute video shot on the sl2s + m lens. 
It should be there for 24 hours after I’ll try to add it to the highlights for those who care to see. 

vimeo download original please

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1 hour ago, Steven said:

When I get to a better connection on Monday I’ll upload a 4K file. It’s heavily graded though. 
i reposted it on my feed too so it stays there in the meantime. 

can you post one short clip out of camera in log not graded?