Willbur Posted September 3 Share #21 Posted September 3 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've used this gem on my Fuji X70 and now my QP. It's a Lumix 24mm micro four thirds frame finder, which matches 28mm perfectly. Bright, good design, metal, not plastic. About $75 on eBay if you can find one. Most people don't know it matches up with 28mm. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312890-leica-28mm-bright-line-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=4849772'>More sharing options...
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Huss Posted September 5 Share #22 Posted September 5 On 9/3/2023 at 1:45 PM, Willbur said: I've used this gem on my Fuji X70 and now my QP. It's a Lumix 24mm micro four thirds frame finder, which matches 28mm perfectly. Bright, good design, metal, not plastic. About $75 on eBay if you can find one. Most people don't know it matches up with 28mm. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! How does that match up to 28mm? 24mm in M43 is the equivalent to 48mm in "full frame". So that would give a 48mm view. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willbur Posted September 5 Share #23 Posted September 5 The 14mm (28mm equiv) Lumix DMW-VF1 (Micro-4/3rds) finder is a near-perfect match to 18mm field-of-view on APS-C (28mm equivalent), and 28mm full size sensor. I paid $85 for mine 5yrs ago, but a quick check on Ebay reveals the two Lumix DMW-VF1 finders for sale there are going for $200+. A good Leica one isn't much more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted September 5 Share #24 Posted September 5 On 9/1/2020 at 11:16 PM, adan said: (I know the secret of getting them to fit really tightly and never slide off!) I have two Voigtlander 28 finders. They fit well but don't have a locking foot. After years of using scraps from a film box, I tried the little stick on felt pads often used to protect furniture. Works well, keeps the finder from slipping, slides in the shoe easily and if it falls off. there's a whole card with more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Smudgerer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312890-leica-28mm-bright-line-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=4851102'>More sharing options...
Willbur Posted September 5 Share #25 Posted September 5 I'm selling my Lumix DMW-VF1 finder 'cause on the QP my [big] nose gets in the way, and I can't work fast, as I did with it on my beloved Fuji X70. Private mssg me if you're interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted September 5 Share #26 Posted September 5 3 hours ago, Willbur said: The 14mm (28mm equiv) Lumix DMW-VF1 (Micro-4/3rds) finder is a near-perfect match to 18mm field-of-view on APS-C (28mm equivalent), and 28mm full size sensor. Panasonic say the DMW-VF1 is intended for the DMC-LX3. That has a lens that zooms out to '24mm' full frame equivalent (though because this camera uses a 1/1.63" sensor the real focal length is of course much shorter). On a full-frame camera like a Leica M, I'd expect it to serve as a 24mm finder (like it says on the barrel) rather than a 28mm finder. On smaller formats it should work with whatever focal length has the same angle of view as 24mm does on full-frame. 3 hours ago, Willbur said: I'm selling my Lumix DMW-VF1 finder 'cause on the QP my [big] nose gets in the way, and I can't work fast, as I did with it on my beloved Fuji X70. Private mssg me if you're interested. I believe the forum rule is that all sales should be via the Classifieds: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/classifieds/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted September 6 Share #27 Posted September 6 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, Willbur said: The 14mm (28mm equiv) Lumix DMW-VF1 (Micro-4/3rds) finder is a near-perfect match to 18mm field-of-view on APS-C (28mm equivalent), and 28mm full size sensor. By “near-perfect” you really mean “inaccurate”, yes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted September 6 Share #28 Posted September 6 No viewfinder is perfect, as you move your eye around the view there are slight changes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted September 6 Share #29 Posted September 6 12 minutes ago, Pyrogallol said: No viewfinder is perfect, as you move your eye around the view there are slight changes. None of them are accurate, to be quite honest. but when a sales pitch states “near perfect”, you know it actually means “NOT perfect”. I own 24 finders. Yes, I went berzerk, but slowly, over time. I love those things. But what about aspect ratio? It, at least, has to be respected accurately. Mixing aspect ratios is really not serious. How can you compose? As a side note, Zeiss really cheated with their vfs. If I recall correctly, the 21 and 18 were exactly the same optics and frame lines... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willbur Posted September 6 Share #30 Posted September 6 Yes, as inaccurate as all Leica optical viewfinders are that I've used on my M cameras, since 1969. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco McBeast Posted September 6 Share #31 Posted September 6 7 minutes ago, Willbur said: Yes, as inaccurate as all Leica optical viewfinders are that I've used on my M cameras, since 1969. Except that adding an inaccurate aspect ratio (M43 finder) on top of inaccurate angle of view blows the whole point away. At least stick to the 36mm/24mm aspect ratio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willbur Posted September 6 Share #32 Posted September 6 But Grasshopper, the whole point in using an optical finder atop any wide-angle Leica--at least my humble experience with my many M cameras--1969-95--(M2, M4 21-28 lenses) is to shoot fast. If you've got leisure time enough to carefully compose a shot using a whacky-slow EVF or a three inch tv screen you're likely gonna lose the shot--at least the shots I tend to take. I s'pose it's all about your shooting style. Me? I have the attention-span of a fly, and a shooting style to match.... oh, and I haven't cropped a picture since about 1968. -W Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted September 6 Share #33 Posted September 6 4 hours ago, Bronco McBeast said: Except that adding an inaccurate aspect ratio (M43 finder) on top of inaccurate angle of view blows the whole point away. At least stick to the 36mm/24mm aspect ratio. It isn't an M4/3 finder, it was made for the Panasonic LX3, the own-branded version of the camera Leica calls the D-LUX 4. This has a smaller format sensor than M4/3, a fixed zoom lens, and selectable aspect ratios (3:2, 4:3 and 16:9). They chose to make the finder with a 3:2 frame for the widest setting of the zoom ('24mm equivalent'). This should in theory be fine on a full-frame Leica with a 24mm lens, but will be too wide for a 28mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Shields Posted September 7 Share #34 Posted September 7 I just wanted to touch on a couple of things I don't see mentioned very often. The two latest Leica finders, the 21mm (28mm) and 24mm super expensive ones, are black paint over brass as opposed to aluminum, or plastic for that matter. A lesser known fact is that these Leica finders are gently clocked, about 1 degree in the direction of the lens mount on a Leica body. To my knowledge, no other brand of finder is clocked and this should result in more accurate framing relative to the others. I can also confirm that the Leica Universal Wide-angle Viewfinder, aka Frankenfinder is in-fact aluminum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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