q2 monochrome

[Graafber]

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Can imagine the Q2 monochrome can be interesting for people who mainly shoot color with the M10 and than use the Q2 monochrome for bnw experience. Like i  use this reasoning the other way around, I shoot mainly bnw with my Leica M10 Monochrone and I use the Q2 for colors.

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[jaapv]

Although sensor resolution and film resolution are basically incomparable values, it may be an indication that normal film will have a maximum resolution of 80 lp/mm @ 50% contrast. 

[Herr Barnack]

3 hours ago, marchyman said:

So you're saying I should keep my RB67.  Or more accurately I should USE my RB67.   It's probably been over a year since I put a roll of film through it.

On a serious note I am not the target audience for a Q2 monochrome.   I'm mostly happy with post processing BW conversions.  When not I will break out the film camera.

For travel photography, you could carry a comprehensive Leica kit, including a Q2, an M10 Mono and several M lenses and still have a lighter kit than an RB67 and a lens or two.

[nicci78]

10 hours ago, jaapv said:

Although sensor resolution and film resolution are basically incomparable values, it may be an indication that normal film will have a maximum resolution of 80 lp/mm @ 50% contrast. 

Not comparable indeed. Because digital needs clean pixels for bayer interpolation to be effective. 
On the other hand film do not any interpolation. Each grain is light sensitive at the right colour. Think of it as a foveon sensor. 
So it may be okay with 10% contrast. Film is also with non telecentric lens. Whereas digital needs telecentric one. 

[jaapv]

45 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Not comparable indeed. Because digital needs clean pixels for bayer interpolation to be effective. 

Not quite, because we still have the merging of Airy Disks aspect, but yes, that is why I assumed 50% contrast to come to some kind of comparison. At any rate, the different nature of film and sensor resolution will always make discussions like these inconclusive. Using MTF curves is more productive than simple numbers.

[nicci78]

Of course it is too different. Just like comparing knife oil painting with aquarelle. 
The resulting look of the image will be far too different. Especially in the sky. You cannot mistaken black and white negatives with Leica digital Monochrom. 

[nicci78]

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I really missed the endless playability of Monochrom DNG. 

And also the art behind choosing the right colour filter, instead of relying on Lightroom colour mixer.

Colour mixer has lots of virtue. But image quality is lower than proper Monochrom. 
Choosing the right colour filter is easier, faster and much more rewarding : no post processing required. But still possible. 

Edited October 21, 2020 by nicci78

[nicci78]

Actually M Monochrom spoiled me. I stopped making B&W since I sold it and my last film body. 
I cannot stand for converted colour to B&W. 
I feel like I got double punishments with desaturate colour. I lose twice the resolution and sensitivity. 
 

For example M10-R provides 100-50K ISO whereas M10-Monochrom will get you 160-100K ISO. But highest ISO will be way cleaner. 

Also think, that when you play with colour mixer : you only get 1/4 of total pixels as red colour. 1/4 as blue and 1/2 as green. Some colours will break faster in post processing  

 

[vedivv]

Q2 monochrome could benefit existing Q2 ownership.  I love the Q2 lens hood and never bothered with filters on Q2.  With Q2 monochrome, I imagine many people will need to use different color filters (I frequency switch between yellow and red).  As much as I love the current Q2 lens hood, it is certainly not conducive to filter use.  Perhaps we will see a new official lens hood from Leica?

[Giguchan]

I'm looking forward to this in November!  Can't wait to see what the price point will be.

[nicci78]

6 hours ago, vedivv said:

Q2 monochrome could benefit existing Q2 ownership.  I love the Q2 lens hood and never bothered with filters on Q2.  With Q2 monochrome, I imagine many people will need to use different color filters (I frequency switch between yellow and red).  As much as I love the current Q2 lens hood, it is certainly not conducive to filter use.  Perhaps we will see a new official lens hood from Leica?

I don’t think so. You will have to use the aesthetic ring instead of the hood or LIM’S hood.

I plan to differentiate Q2 and Q2 Monochrom this way :

• colour Q2 with hood and handgrip. 
• Q2 Monochrom with thumbrest but without hood.

Edited October 22, 2020 by nicci78

[eugenepresley]

Could this Monochrom be a silver (chromed) Q2?

 

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by eugenepresley

[Giguchan]

Better start looking at the ADM SITE... i see a new case in my future.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Giguchan

[Giguchan]

24 minutes ago, eugenepresley said:

Could this Monochrom be a silver (chromed) Q2?

 

 

OOPS....

 This way i could tell them apart.!

[nicci78]

Maybe same as M10 Monocrom vs M10-R.

• M10-R has Leica red dot
• M10 Monochrom is black chrome only, without any logo, nor script.

My guess is that Q2 Monochrom, will just be plain black without any logo. Maybe another kind of black paint or another leatherette. But it will certainly be discreet and all black for sure. 

 

What about the price ? M10 Monochrom is only 210€ more than M10-R. 

A Q2 Monochrom at 5,200€ could be sweet. That way it would be 3,000€ less than M10 Monochrom. Just like Q2 is 3,000€ less than M10-R.

[Giguchan]

On 10/19/2020 at 8:14 AM, nicci78 said:

The real question is how can I convince my wife that I need a Q2 Monochrom alongside the Q2. 🙃

buy her something shiny...  that always seems to work with  them..

[nicci78]

First image of Q2 Monochrom. 
Just like Q2 with black dot instead of red one 

Link here

 

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Edited October 23, 2020 by nicci78

[Guest BlackBarn]

On 10/22/2020 at 7:44 PM, nicci78 said:

A Q2 Monochrom at 5,200€ could be sweet. That way it would be 3,000€ less than M10 Monochrom. Just like Q2 is 3,000€ less than M10-R

I’m a happy owner of the 10m ...love it to bits....but what makes this interesting is that it might not be too much more expensive than the 28mm f/2 summicron  lens which I don’t have. Having a f1.7 with macro options in the beautiful Q package might be a no brainer for me.

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[PF Bentley]

I think a Monochrome version is great, but many of us out here are not 28mm types and the crop mode is not the same has seeing full frame 35mm and using all the pixels. It’s frustrating. I would buy one with a 35mm lens - even a color version.

[38wadcutter]

With  the 47MP capacity on the Q2, you can set the crop at 35mm and get higher res images/pics, about 30MP, than you ever could on the Q. Problem solved and you get to see all the stuff outside the frame lines, just like on the M10.