Compact SL soon?

[lct]

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Now that the specs of the rumored Panasonic S5 are available, can we expect a compact SL soon?
https://t.co/5rIb8Ggs0T?amp=1

[caissa]

Is Leica rich and has money to throw away ?  If yes, then they will probably bring a model like this to undermine the SL2. If we expect that they will behave in their typical way, then they will not split their small market even further with a camera that will have very low margins ...   (high risk for low return)

The moneymaker is the M camera system. So any new cameras will probably be seen there. But even there they begin to reduce the lens selection. What do you expect in times of Corona ?  Survival is the method. I am glad if they survive and can bring soon the missing primes and an SL3 in 3-4 years.

Edited August 16, 2020 by caissa

[jaapv]

Given the size of the lenses, the benefit would be marginal. Anyway "slightly smaller entry level", a totally different class of camera, aimed at Sony, Canon et al.

I doubt whether Leica sees this as any kind of SL2 competitor.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Given the size of the lenses, the benefit would be marginal.

Unless it works well with M lenses.

[lct]

Limited cost though being a Pana clone and a better chance to sell L and M lenses to photogs put off by the size of SL/SL2 and the limits of RF based cameras now that Leica waived the mirrorless M.

[jaapv]

7 minutes ago, Joachim_I said:

Unless it works well with M lenses.

Assuming Panasonic would design this in. I doubt it, because it would drive the sensor price up considerably and move it out of the entry level class. Entry level buyers wont be using Leica M lenses anyway, Those few Leica M users that go slumming won't be very interesting commercially.

This camera will be designed to use with the cheaper Panasonic and Sigma lenses.

[Guest]

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Maybe Leica decides to produce an SL5 based on Panasonic’s S5. If so, then they probably would make sure that M lenses work well. Such a camera could replace my CL. Let’s see.

[caissa]

57 minutes ago, lct said:

Limited cost though being a Pana clone and a better chance to sell L and M lenses to photogs put off by the size of SL/SL2 and the limits of RF based cameras now that Leica waived the mirrorless M.

Usually these groups complain about the size of the lenses, so a smaller camera has hardly any benefit. And the price would still be higher than a S1. So this would be another rebadged camera - in my eyes they all had a very bad fate. No need to repeat that. I see no advantages of this camera, just that the sensor is 4 years younger than the SL.

All the people saying they would buy a smaller camera have already Sony or other cameras. And they will not buy into yet another system (just talking not buying).

If you buy a camera then there is a chance that more cameras will come. If you do not buy a SL2, you can be sure that you can wait as long as you want, no other camera will come. So these Sony supporters saying they would buy a Leica IF ...  they just mean nothing. They just help Sony to produce more cameras and are “lost” for L-mount.

If all users had not bought a SL 4 years ago, and said I will wait for a better camera, then Leica had never had the means to make more SL lenses and develop the SL2 and the L-mount alliance would never have taken shape. So it is always the buyers willing to live with the current restrictions that make a brand survive, not the “talkers” (that buy Sony every 2 years or a M every 20 years)

Edited August 16, 2020 by caissa

[caissa]

Fuji has already support for some adapted M lenses. (lens corrections in firmware). Why should Panasonic not be able to offer this support as well, maybe for a fee (adapter plus firmware).

Obviously it is not forbidden, or does Panasonic want to “protect” Leica ?

[jaapv]

57 minutes ago, Joachim_I said:

Maybe Leica decides to produce an SL5 based on Panasonic’s S5. If so, then they probably would make sure that M lenses work well. Such a camera could replace my CL. Let’s see.

The last sentence is the point. It would cannibalize both SL and CL. We 

[jaapv]

2 minutes ago, caissa said:

Fuji has already support for some adapted M lenses. (lens corrections in firmware). Why should Panasonic not be able to offer this support as well, maybe for a fee (adapter plus firmware).

Obviously it is not forbidden, or does Panasonic want to “protect” Leica ?

Do you know the terms of the L Alliance? 

[caissa]

What do you want to say ?

[jaapv]

That it is quite possible that "Territories" have been agreed.

[LocalHero1953]

Given that none of us know where Leica makes its highest profits.......if the profits come from lenses, then Leica wouldn't care about cannibalising SL2/CL sales as long as they sell more lenses, and any new body niche could help them do that.

But none of us know. 

[tom.w.bn]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb caissa:

Fuji has already support for some adapted M lenses. (lens corrections in firmware). Why should Panasonic not be able to offer this support as well, maybe for a fee (adapter plus firmware).

Obviously it is not forbidden, or does Panasonic want to “protect” Leica ?

Your statement is a bit misleading. Fuji cameras don't know Leica lenses. The camera offers some memoy slots (6?) where you can manually register a lens by entering a focal length and some lens correction settings. When you press the button on the original Fuji Leica M adapter a menu pops up, where you can select one of the settings and then the correction data is written to the Raw file and can be used by raw converters who support this. Never read or heard that someone really tried to figure out lense correction settings for specifiic lenses.

[Daniel81]

as I understand the Q was originally developed to 'test' some of the features in development of the SL and in the end, the Q turned out to be so good on its own, it became its own camera.  I own both a Q2 and and SL - and their rationale, arrangements, menus, etc are so similar, one could say the Q2 IS the compact SL.  I do wish they had moved from 28 to 35 focal length when they migrated from Q to Q2.  But you can't please everyone and there are probably just as many 28 base fans as there are 35 base fans.

[bags27]

5 hours ago, Joachim_I said:

Maybe Leica decides to produce an SL5 based on Panasonic’s S5. If so, then they probably would make sure that M lenses work well. Such a camera could replace my CL. Let’s see.

"work well...." Even now, it's clear that wider M glass doesn't work quite as well on the SL2 (which has the thinnest sensor layer of any L mount camera, or, maybe even any mirrorless on the market) as it does on the M. So, even if a smaller-form SL2 were produced, it would still be a personal decision based on willingness to compromise.

Edited August 16, 2020 by bags27

[lct]

M lenses work fine on Fuji bodies at 35mm and above but Fuji sensor stack is too thick for wider lenses. Been there. To get a compact mirrorless working fine with M lenses the only solution i found is not a stock Sony (been there too) but a Kolari mod one. I have no experience with latest Nikon and Canon bodies but I'd rather a compact Leica or PanaLeica with thin sensor stack designed for M lenses. 

[cp995]

If I read the size of the S5, I think it's still too big and so not interesting for SL users, searching for a really smaller SL alternative.

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica L-Mount

[Jk1002]

I could totally see them replace the CL with a full frame CL2. The TL lenses coming in at 20 megapixels on a SL2 type sensor do make a lot of sense to me for keeping the overall size in check when that is important.

Cheers

JK

Edited August 16, 2020 by Jk1002