Another M10R review

[marcg]

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The M10-R is a beautiful device. It's thoughtfully designed, and it produces incredible photos. I just can’t recommend it. Luxury-item pricing is par for the course for Leica, and that used to be all there was to say. But the price is a part of the product, and it bears critical and moral weight. At the end of the day, the M10-R feels like the kind of camera you buy to capture vacation photos at your estate in the Seychelles. It's the Rolex of cameras.

https://www.wired.com/review/leica-m10-r-digital-rangefinder/

 

 

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[marcg]

 

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The M10-R is far out of reach for so many talented photographers. Personally, I’ve only ever shot on Leica cameras I’ve borrowed or rented, and I’ve been a working photographer for more than a decade. At $8,300, this camera isn’t extravagantly priced, it’s prohibitively priced—and in the face of the world we’re living in, that's starting to feel deliberate.

 

 

Whether you agree or not it's very encouraging to find a review which is not another fan-boy assessment.

Edited July 25, 2020 by marcg

[scott kirkpatrick]

But it is hard to credit this part of the review:  

If you’re in the market for a digital rangefinder, the Fujifilm X-Pro 3 is a better camera in nearly every way, and it’s a fraction of the price. It has dual card slots, it shoots 4K video,...

so no, this is not a fan-girl review.

 

Edited July 25, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[Ouroboros]

2 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

But it is hard to credit this part of the review:  

 

Why?

[Erato]

Interestingly, he/she mentioned that the FUJIFILM X-Pro 3 is a better camera in nearly every way.
It comes with 26.1MP APS-C X-Trans BSI CMOS 4 Sensor and X-Processor 4 but they're not in the same quadrant at all while comparing with M10-R.
I would say that it should be in a way of apple to apple comparison, isn't it?

Edited July 25, 2020 by Erato

[marcg]

Are you suggesting a camera may be inferior simply because it has a lower pixel count?

Edited July 25, 2020 by marcg

[Erato]

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FYR.

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[Cobblers]

These kind of reviews are to be expected. Yes Leica cameras are to an extent prohibitively expensive, dependant upon ones financial circumstances, however the results really do speak for themselves.

Having shot with Sony A7r2 and 3’s for clients and personal projects I can hand on heart claim that the purchase of an M10 was a game changer and the resulting images, despite lacking the 42mp of the Sony 3, were far more pleasing to the eye in terms of texture and rendering.
With this in mind I look forward to using the M10-R,  I’m really not bothered that it doesn't have a dual slot or that you have to remove the bottom plate for battery access? It’s not a biggie and the lack of video is a blessing.

The Sony A7r3 was good, at times very good, but a huge pain in the butt, the menu was a nightmare, focusing of static objects often bore missed shots, the white balance required a lot of work in PS and LR. It wasn’t an enjoyable experience in mixed lighting. I also had an X-Pro2 for a while and though the lenses were sharp and cheap there were some characteristics, especially with the Zeiss lenses, that I did not enjoy. Bokeh was awful. I’ll also add the placement of the viewfinder diopter and the way in which it can easily be knocked made for a lot of tantrums on my part.

The jump to M10 changed the way I shoot completely and for the better (I use an SL2 for most of my client work), I have no doubt the M10-R will take that a step further albeit an expensive step 🙂

[marcg]

I think these kinds of product review are far less to be expected, particularly of a new product, than the glowing reports which are usually found at the launch of most new products.

[horosu]

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 In the face of a deadly pandemic and worsening economic crises, a price this high feels unreasonable—even insensitive.

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Our household income fell by two thirds at the start of the lockdown this spring, and on the first of every month, I worry if we’re going to be able to make rent. I am far from alone here.

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It’s a very strange time to review a camera that costs more than a year of in-state tuition at a public university.

This is a very down-to-earth review that reflects the realities that some of us here tend to push aside and keep on living as if everything is a bad dream that should go away any time now. Well, it isn't going anywhere.

[Erato]

4 minutes ago, Cobblers said:

These kind of reviews are to be expected. Yes Leica cameras are to an extent prohibitively expensive, dependant upon ones financial circumstances, however the results really do speak for themselves.

Having shot with Sony A7r2 and 3’s for clients and personal projects I can hand on heart claim that the purchase of an M10 was a game changer and the resulting images, despite lacking the 42mp of the Sony 3, were far more pleasing to the eye in terms of texture and rendering.
With this in mind I look forward to using the M10-R,  I’m really not bothered that it doesn't have a dual slot or that you have to remove the bottom plate for battery access? It’s not a biggie and the lack of video is a blessing.

The Sony A7r3 was good, at times very good, but a huge pain in the butt, the menu was a nightmare, focusing of static objects often bore missed shots, the white balance required a lot of work in PS and LR. It wasn’t an enjoyable experience in mixed lighting. I also had an X-Pro2 for a while and though the lenses were sharp and cheap there were some characteristics, especially with the Zeiss lenses, that I did not enjoy. Bokeh was awful. I’ll also add the placement of the viewfinder diopter and the way in which it can easily be knocked made for a lot of tantrums on my part.

The jump to M10 changed the way I shoot completely and for the better (I use an SL2 for most of my client work), I have no doubt the M10-R will take that a step further albeit an expensive step 🙂

Less is more.
I went through several systems for over 30 years and Leica could be the ultimate solution fits my behavior -- manual focus, mirrorless, simplified menu, and superb image quality under limited post-process, this could be the end of chasing the wind of replicant.

If I am going to get an ultimate consumer solution, I might upgrade iPhone X to 11 or so!!

[marcg]

31 minutes ago, Erato said:

FYR.

You may alter The Gartner Quadrant into 4 different quadrant which fits the camera industry and then the differentiation shall be clear enough to tell the truth.

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Thank you. That has made everything very clear indeed.

[Cobblers]

45 minutes ago, marcg said:

I think these kinds of product review are far less to be expected, particularly of a new product, than the glowing reports which are usually found at the launch of most new products.

I’m not sure I agree, certainly in relation to M series body and lens releases.

There seems to have been a pattern in recent years as to the prohibitive cost of the Leica M and it’s lack of ‘extras’ and with this release there’s no exception to the point that some Leica diehards doubt the necessity of the latest release, in that I include not just reviewers but also long term users and prominent forum members from not just here but also FM and DP. This was also true of the CL which was often drawn in comparison to the Fujifilm X100’s and berated for it’s cost.

With the M10-R there’s a swell of detractors out there.

I’ve not read Thomas Overgaard’s review yet so it’ll be interesting to see his take.

[scott kirkpatrick]

1 hour ago, Ouroboros said:

Why?

I've shot with an X-Pro 2 and I don't have dual card slots and 4K video on my list of deal-making requirements. The X-Pro 3, which I haven't tried, has more MPx and a less flexible optical viewfinder.  And I can tell the difference between the APO 50 which she was probably loaned and Fuji's lenses, which I have used. 

Edited July 25, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[Dr No]

These mainstream advertiser funded and centric magazines are useless and always so sloppy. Imagine that the Sony A7r VI would be better than the M10-R? given it's about 5-6 years from being released I would hope so. The rest of the review is quite questionable, either written by or for a monkey, perpetuating and fuelling the ignorance of Leica cynics. How do they expect to be taken seriously?

[Guest BlackBarn]

I suppose we all have our comfort zones when it comes to affordability and the value we place on differences. From hers  why not use the Leica M10r to amplify her point that some stuff costs a lot of money and makes no sense to be included when recommending purchasing  decisions.

For sure there is also nothing wrong with preferring other highly capable cameras such as Fuji and Sony for whatever personal reasons. What I don’t quite understand is her bit about  ‘ bears critical and moral weight’  as the major negative against Leica. There  are nearly a billion people who earn less than $2 a day and yet against that background she appears more comfortable recommending a Fuji x pro3 and Sony A7R - IV.  May be it’s because they are only equivalent to about 5 years earnings.....who knows?
 

[ynp]

As was said by Oscar Wilde: “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.”

[ynp]

50 minutes ago, BlackBarn said:

For sure there is also nothing wrong with preferring other highly capable cameras such as Fuji and Sony for whatever personal reasons. What I don’t quite understand is her bit about  ‘ bears critical and moral weight’  as the major negative against Leica. 

The reviewer is tied with the tight ropes of her and her magazine leftish agenda. She even put Leica and street protests into almost one sentence. It’s just reflects the time we live in. New normal. 

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[Dr No]

It smacks of 'i love this camera but here is our advertiser sales pitch instead' with an added virtue signalling slap about morals because they can't afford it.

[TomB_tx]

I blew my budget when I was finishing college by buying the new Leica M4 and (over a year) 90 TE, and 50 & 35 Summicrons. However, I used those 3 lenses and the M4 (with M6 added in '85) as my main camera outfit for over 40 years. When I bought it I was ridiculed by friends for getting such a backwards camera compared to the latest Japanese SLRs. They looked at the feature list - I looked at the results, and valued a well thought out solid camera that performed well.

In this digital age most people still shop by feature lists: the longer the list the better it must be. If it doesn't have IBIS, it must not be serious.

I know no digital camera is going to last 40-50 years - pity. I'm still very happy with my M9. I splurged again for the M10 - but that's my last Leica.

Edited July 25, 2020 by TomB_tx