Andrea Bianchi Posted July 13, 2020 Share #1  Posted July 13, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everyone, I love the 50mm focal length and was thinking of buying a 50 Cron V5 or Lux Asph.  I already have the Elmar-M; other than the obvious F-Stops, are there lots of differences between the little Elmar and the expensive Summilux? The Bokeh is similar or is way better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romanus53 Posted July 13, 2020 Share #2 Â Posted July 13, 2020 Had them both and consider the Bokeh as similar; both are great lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted July 13, 2020 Share #3  Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) If I see an attractive Elmar M, 6 bit coded, I buy it, that’s for sure, despite I have already two 50 mm’s. Edited July 13, 2020 by Gobert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #4 Â Posted July 13, 2020 Well, the Elmar is not so good at f 1/1.4 or f 1/2. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 13, 2020 Share #5 Â Posted July 13, 2020 The Elmar-M images are generally as good as the other Leica 50s. I seldom use mine as I prefer the handling of the 50 Summarit 2.5 (that replaced the Elmar-M in Leica's catalog). However, the 50 Summicron is the classic 50 for M cameras - I used the 1969 version for over 40 years, and think every Leica M shooter should have one. The faster lenses claim certain status and therefore higher prices, but I don't care for the size (and cost). So although I have 1.4 lenses in 35 & 50mm, i normally keep the 2.5 Summarits on my Leicas. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #6  Posted July 13, 2020 On a more serious note than in #4; all examples at f/2.8: 1. Elmar-M: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!       1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!       ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008280'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #7  Posted July 13, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2.Summicron-M (current version - non Apo):  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008281'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #8  Posted July 13, 2020 3. Summilux-M asph.: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008282'>More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 13, 2020 Share #9  Posted July 13, 2020 While it's useful to have a comparison across all of the lenses at f/2.8 it should be noted that for both the Summicron and Summilux the diaphragm is starting to show in the 'bokeh balls' as it intrudes into the light path. It seems likely that, for example, a f/1.4 lens would be normally shot wide open (why else would the owner tolerate the extra cost and weight?) so perhaps wide open shots would be useful too? Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Bianchi Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share #10  Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, UliWer said: 3. Summilux-M asph.: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Do you have something similar, shot at 1.4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #11  Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Yes, the light has changed a little bit since, but now the Summilux-M asph at F/1.4:  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 13, 2020 by UliWer 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008316'>More sharing options...
lct Posted July 13, 2020 Share #12  Posted July 13, 2020 Famous Elmar's bokeh balls. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008319'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #13  Posted July 13, 2020 vor 35 Minuten schrieb farnz: While it's useful to have a comparison across all of the lenses at f/2.8 it should be noted that for both the Summicron and Summilux the diaphragm is starting to show in the 'bokeh balls' as it intrudes into the light path. Yes, you see the shape of the diaphragm with both lenses stopped down, more with the Summicron than with the Summilux.  The Elmar - fully opened - produces "swirly" multiple rings, while the other two lenses at f/2.8 seem to be smoother (more "creamy") - the Summilux more so than the Summicron. If one looks at the dark patches in the background - just above the bird's wing or in the upper left corner, the Elmar shows "harsher" contours, the Summicron and especially the Summilux at the same f-stop look smoother again. At f/1.4 the result is of course totally different.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 13, 2020 Share #14  Posted July 13, 2020 Summilux 50/1.4 asph's bokeh. Too sharp at f/2.8 for my taste. YMMV. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008325'>More sharing options...
lct Posted July 13, 2020 Share #15  Posted July 13, 2020 Above 50/1.4 asph, below 50/1.4 v3, both at f/2.8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311303-50-elmar-m-vs-summicronlux/?do=findComment&comment=4008327'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 13, 2020 Share #16 Â Posted July 13, 2020 I am rather amused by the modern preoccupation with "Bokeh" as I was active in photography for about 40 years before the term appeared in USA photo publications (about 1998). Wikipedia delves into the origins of the term in Japanese, noting related usage, including: "refer to being mentally hazy, befuddled, childish, senile, or playing stupid"Â I guess as an old engineer I lack the aesthetic sensitivity to care much about it - as I look at the subject, not so much the background. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 13, 2020 Share #17  Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, TomB_tx said: I guess as an old engineer I lack the aesthetic sensitivity to care much about it - as I look at the subject, not so much the background As another old Engineer I agree with what you say but now that attention has been brought to the out of focus areas it's difficult not to notice them.  Once you've smelled fresh apple pie as it comes out of the oven, the next time you see apple pie your brain 'looks' for the smell.  (I must remember to stop eating those philosophy pills.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 13, 2020 Share #18  Posted July 13, 2020 3 hours ago, UliWer said: If one looks at the dark patches in the background - just above the bird's wing or in the upper left corner, the Elmar shows "harsher" contours, the Summicron and especially the Summilux at the same f-stop look smoother again. Yes I hadn't noticed and I expect it's partly to do with curvature of field. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 13, 2020 Share #19  Posted July 13, 2020 vor 4 Minuten schrieb farnz: ...curvature of field What a profane idea!  It's the "Karbe magic" which makes the difference! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 13, 2020 Share #20  Posted July 13, 2020 1 minute ago, UliWer said: What a profane idea!  It's the "Karbe magic" which makes the difference! I'm pretty sure that both the 50 Summilux pre-asph 'v3' and Summicron v5 (optically unaltered from the v4) were both Mandler designs weren't they? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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