This time of year when I hate all mirrorless

[nicci78]

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It is sunny and beautiful. And once again mirrorless become difficult to use again. 
EVF do not like the sun. 
I missed my M10 and DSLR during summer. 
Long live to OVF. 

[Michael Markey]

Can`t say that it`s impeded me any .

I have OVF M bodies but I much prefer EVF .

[tom.w.bn]

vor einer Stunde schrieb nicci78:

It is sunny and beautiful. And once again mirrorless become difficult to use again. 
EVF do not like the sun. 
I missed my M10 and DSLR during summer. 
Long live to OVF. 

You remind me of a problem I had with Panasonic mfT, Fuji XT cameras and the EVF for the M240. I wear glasses and there was always the problem that reflecting light from the glasses into the viewfinder makes it hard to see, the contrast in the EVF drops dramatically. Sometimes the proximity sensor of the Fuji EVF failed because of reflected light of the glasses. I have the Panasonic S1 now for a year and can't remember that I had a problem regarding that. The EVF construction is way better, the huge rubber ring around the viewfinder does a nice job.

This problem does not exist with an optical viewfinder.

Edited July 12, 2020 by tom.w.bn

[jaapv]

I wear a hat...🙄

[jaapv]

36 minutes ago, tom.w.bn said:

This problem does not exist with an optical viewfinder.

The switching problem does indeed not exist with an optical viewfinder, that is true but then it doesn't on an EVF either if you set the camera to "EVF only"   The incident light one does exist on optical viewfinders as well in my experience, especially in the tropics, So I come back to my post above,

 

11 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I wear a hat...🙄

Always do;I hate the sun getting behind my sunglasses.

[jankap]

Hoodmanloup! See Sigma fp.

They could make the LCDs smaller and give a then smaller loup as an add-on.

[nicci78]

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Sunglasses are another problem. 
Polarized one, can make EVF or screen invisible. 
Darker one will challenge brightest EVF and rear screen to beat both the sun and  your shades 😎 

 

Hat is a solution. But it is not ideal 

Leica’s EVF are the worst. Totally flat. No shading at all. 
Q is the worst with huge reflective glass surface. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by nicci78

[Rick in CO]

2 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Leica’s EVF are the worst. Totally flat. No shading at all. 
Q is the worst with huge reflective glass surface. 

The only EVF I have found satisfactory to me, a M10 user having had Lasik 10 years ago, is the VGA OLED "Tru-Finder"

     on the Sony RX10 II.  I am told they changed it on the later models.

I have not found an APC EVF with the same clarity.

[Jeff S]

3 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Sunglasses are another problem. 
Polarized one, can make EVF or screen invisible. 
Darker one will challenge brightest EVF and rear screen to beat both the sun and  your shades 😎 

 

Hat is a solution. But it is not ideal 

Leica’s EVF are the worst. Totally flat. No shading at all. 
Q is the worst with huge reflective glass surface. 

I switched to non-polarized (prescription) sunglasses and always wear a hat, doing these two things in outdoor daylight even without a camera.  I far prefer the OVF viewing and shooting experience, but EVFs can provide potential focusing and exposure benefits (and no need for camera/lens calibration).  Trade offs.

Jeff
 

Edited July 12, 2020 by Jeff S

[jaapv]

2 hours ago, Jeff S said:

I switched to non-polarized (prescription) sunglasses and always wear a hat, doing these two things in outdoor daylight even without a camera.

+1

[LocalHero1953]

I've never had any problems with the EVF in bright light (CL or SL), but I deal with any potential problems light by shoving my eye right into the eyepiece. I can understand that it would be more difficult if you wear spectacles.

[tom.w.bn]

I will not wear a hat to solve this issue. My daugher once said to me: when you start wearing a hat, you are officially old....    🙂

[jaapv]

Well, there you are. I am officially old, with or without hat.   OTOH, I have been wearing hats for decades....

[Rick in CO]

2 hours ago, tom.w.bn said:

I will not wear a hat to solve this issue. My daugher once said to me: when you start wearing a hat, you are officially old....    🙂

My daughter says that walking sticks are the sign. 

However, she did borrow ours to climb a Colorado fourteener!

[ramarren]

I have more problem with SLR viewfinders than I do with EVFs. RF viewfinders are in the middle. 

G

[AdHox]

I never venture outside without polarised sunglasses, and rarely without a hat or cap of some variety. That’s been the situation since my 20s. So I’ll admit to being in my 50s and almost a senior, but I reject the proposition that headwear is limited to the old.

The sunglasses come off when looking through the viewfinder because my view of the world from behind polarised lenses is not what the sensor is seeing (unless I attach a PL filter to the lens). With or without polarisation can be a massive difference, and that’s the case whether using OVF, EVF, or the screen on the back.

The hat sometimes comes off if it gets in the way, especially shooting in portrait orientation.

OVF and EVF each have pros and cons. The screen on the back just has cons.

[ramarren]

I use polarized, tinted lenses only on my driving sunglasses, where controlling reflections from other cars and the road is critical. My regular glasses are the latest transitions and darken down very rapidly and deeply ... This sometimes makes looking through *any* viewfinder rather difficult because of how dense they get. But they don't do the polarized blackout thing with LCD or EVF viewfinders. 

Yes, I too nearly always wear a wide-brimmed field hat when in the sun. It's a good dodge against sunburn on your ears and face too. I've been doing this since I was 20 years to becoming considered a senior.

G

[jaapv]

Problem when driving: polarized sunglasses produce prismatic effects on heated windshields...

[ramarren]

8 hours ago, jaapv said:

Problem when driving: polarized sunglasses produce prismatic effects on heated windshields...

Yes, they do—on some of them, anyway. Remember also that windshield technology differs between different countries based upon safety regulations on windshield construction. The US NHSTA requires laminated windshields, most European countries require tempered windshields. Tempered glass is much more likely to produce prismatic effects than laminated glass. And in the case when it does, some (if not most) of the time it's not enough to occlude vision, and certainly better than the road glare/specular reflections/etc that that polarized sunglasses drastically reduce. 

(Polarized sunglasses have shown no effects whatever in any of the past five automobiles I've owned (that spans back to 1985), and do not occlude my vision through the faceshield of my motorcycle helmets either.) 

As always, it is important that you use common sense and check to see what a set of glasses or anything else which affects your vision will do when you elect to use a particular solution when operating your motor vehicles or bicycles. 

G

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[Jeff S]

9 hours ago, jaapv said:

Problem when driving: polarized sunglasses produce prismatic effects on heated windshields...

I bought a Jaguar F Pace three years ago and my polarized sunglasses created ‘rainbow’ effects through the windshield.  Highly annoying, hence new lenses, which needed to be glass rather than plastic, as the plastic tint solutions (3 attempts) caused a reddish hue to my preferred dark grey.  PITA, but I would have probably made the same change when I bought the SL2 last year, my first EVF based camera.

 My eyes are sensitive to light, besides distance/astigmatism issues, so prescription sunglasses are a must for my every day use, for decades.  My eye doc says it’s probably the reason I’m the only one in my family without cataract issues.... so at least there’s that.  
 

Jeff