Le Chef Posted April 15, 2020 Share #41 Posted April 15, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 59 minutes ago, Digitom said: I also do not trust google search results. I use mostly startpage. They also use the google algorithm but the results are being anonymised. Well, I heard that also Startpage is paying money to google to use their algorithm and so being tolerated by Google (until Startpage ill be one day big enough being assimilated by the "Google Borg" [ hello Trekkies 🙂 ] Hope that will nver become true! But the results of startpage are more looking .-..-.-a kind of real. And one can open the result file anonymouse. Nice. You still get what you pay for. Paid search always trumps organic search. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted April 16, 2020 Share #42 Posted April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Digitom said: I also do not trust google search results. I use mostly startpage. They also use the google algorithm but the results are being anonymised. Well, I heard that also Startpage is paying money to google to use their algorithm and so being tolerated by Google (until Startpage ill be one day big enough being assimilated by the "Google Borg" [ hello Trekkies 🙂 ] Hope that will nver become true! But the results of startpage are more looking .-..-.-a kind of real. And one can open the result file anonymouse. Nice. Have a look at DuckDuckGo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted April 17, 2020 Share #43 Posted April 17, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 9:28 AM, jaapv said: I don't get the usefulness of a distance scale in a camera with an EVF, especially the atrophied scales as implemented in digital viewfinders and on LCDs. But that may be just me. I find the distance scales in EVFs on my Fuji cameras extremely useful for video. I can use them for reference points and “pull focus”, as well as estimate focus better while shooting. Once stopped down focus peaking ceases being useful for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2020 Share #44 Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, matted said: I find the distance scales in EVFs on my Fuji cameras extremely useful for video. I can use them for reference points and “pull focus”, as well as estimate focus better while shooting. Once stopped down focus peaking ceases being useful for the most part. I cannot say that I find the Leica CL/TL very useful for video beyond electronic notebook. Just one step up from a smartphone IMO. Don't get me wrong, this is an important feature for me, but things like focus pulling are beyond this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted April 17, 2020 Share #45 Posted April 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, jaapv said: I cannot say that I find the Leica CL/TL very useful for video beyond electronic notebook. Just one step up from a smartphone IMO. Don't get me wrong, this is an important feature for me, but things like focus pulling are beyond this level. Fair enough. I don’t actually have a CL or TL but use the Q2 for video. I don’t miss the distance scale because you can at least rely on muscle memory when manually focusing with it. As far as a potential future CL2 goes, I hope there is one. The only thing I would put on my wish list for it would be for it to use the same battery as the SL and Q2... I cannot abide adding yet another charger and battery type to my gear closet and/or bag! Bonus points for Fuji XT-3 level autofocus and video features along with a Profoto TTL remote for Leica. With those features I could offload my Fuji system, but I’m not holding my breath! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2020 Share #46 Posted April 17, 2020 Well, it is rather practical that the CL uses the same battery as a number of Panasonic cameras, and high-quality non-Leica ones at a reasonable price are available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matted Posted April 17, 2020 Share #47 Posted April 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 29 minutes ago, jaapv said: Well, it is rather practical that the CL uses the same battery as a number of Panasonic cameras, and high-quality non-Leica ones at a reasonable price are available. This is true and I agree, very practical. It isn't so much the cost of adding another battery type to my stable, but the logistics and management for day trips and especially travel that I selfishly want the CL2 to move to the Q2/SL battery. I guess I already have something like 6 or 7 types of battery to manage. What's one more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q2_SL2 Posted April 21, 2020 Share #48 Posted April 21, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 1:50 PM, LocalHero1953 said: I understand - you don't like it and therefore it is a terrible design! Edit. I sold my TL2 because of its functionality, not its design. I replaced it with a Sigma fp which is a similar size, far more capable, but uglier and an interface similar to the latest Leicas but less touch-oriented. Can you sum up Sigma fp experiences? How ti work with TL35 (or other TL lences) and have you tested it with M Lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 21, 2020 Share #49 Posted April 21, 2020 I use the fp almost entirely for video with M lenses: mainly the Summilux-M 35 FLE, or the Apo-Summicron-M 75 Asph. I have not used the TL35, as the angle of view is not quite enough (the Sigma can do full frame video). I use it on a tripod, with an external mic and SSD for recording. This is for recording the whole of drama and music productions from a whole-stage perspective. I use the SL for close-ups.. The fp battery is not enough for a long recording, but Sigma sells a mains power adapter for when you can find a power socket. I was just getting into this setup when the lockdown happened and all the productions I had scheduled were cancelled, so my experience in making it all work together is limited! As a still camera I find the absence of an EVF too much of a nuisance for normal use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bherman01545 Posted May 16, 2020 Share #50 Posted May 16, 2020 On the LHSA call on Friday, May 15, 2020, Stefan Daniel commented that although the APS-C space is very competitive, Leica has no plans to discontinue their APS-C line of cameras. With that said, he didn't indicate that there would be any further development or a successor to the current Leica CL (i.e. he didn't indicate yes or no) but Leica is a bit secretive about this sort of stuff anyway. I would think that if Leica customers express enough interest, maybe? Stranger things have happened. I recently purchased a CL starter bundle and am very pleased with it. I can use my SL 35 Summicron on it as a 50mm equivalent, and it is really no bigger than a TL 35mm F/1.4 Summilux. I also have a Sigma 45mm F/2.8 DG DN lens (68mm equivalent) and it is a great portrait lens on the CL -Brad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 16, 2020 Share #51 Posted May 16, 2020 "No plans to discontinue" It sounds a bit half-hearted... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted May 17, 2020 Share #52 Posted May 17, 2020 vor 23 Stunden schrieb jaapv: "No plans to discontinue" It sounds a bit half-hearted... Same with me, but we will see ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 17, 2020 Share #53 Posted May 17, 2020 I really don't mind. My CL is good for another decade at least. I will have to match that... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted May 17, 2020 Share #54 Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, jaapv said: I really don't mind. My CL is good for another decade at least. I will have to match that... LOL! My feelings exactly ... I look at my Olympus E-1, first delivered in October 2003, and it's still chugging along just fine. I hope I outlast that one! G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted May 18, 2020 Share #55 Posted May 18, 2020 On 4/13/2020 at 12:20 PM, DanielJr said: You never know we are the buyers. You don't think we have voice in their decision making process. I believe Leica is listening carefully and smartly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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