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[albertknappmd]

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On 3/8/2020 at 4:57 AM, djmay said:

They should have listened to the philosopher Harry Callahan; “a man’s got to know his limitations.”

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[setuporg]

7 hours ago, davidmknoble said:

If Leica would send me a production model, I would put together a great, current review

 

would you write a fine illustrated book if they let you keep it?:)

[davidmknoble]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

would you write a fine illustrated book if they let you keep it?:)

I would let the S3 illustrate the book, and publish it in print, on the web and eBook!

[Chaemono]

 

[Chaemono]

 

[rickgrainger]

Ever since the S2 was announced way back when, I have scoured the internet for anything relating to the Leica S system; reviews, use cases, videos, images, whatever. It is very sparse. I can imagine that most S users are too busy or not inclined to share their experiences. I don't own a S camera yet, but have been kicking around the idea of a YouTube channel or something similar showcasing usage of the S system. It might not be a S3, though. Lotto and Powerball have not smiled upon me just yet. It might be a S2 or Type 006. I wonder if I am the only one who has an interest in something like this?

[Mick H]

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On 5/1/2020 at 2:05 PM, rickgrainger said:

Ever since the S2 was announced way back when, I have scoured the internet for anything relating to the Leica S system; reviews, use cases, videos, images, whatever. It is very sparse. I can imagine that most S users are too busy or not inclined to share their experiences. I don't own a S camera yet, but have been kicking around the idea of a YouTube channel or something similar showcasing usage of the S system. It might not be a S3, though. Lotto and Powerball have not smiled upon me just yet. It might be a S2 or Type 006. I wonder if I am the only one who has an interest in something like this?

I have followed the S since its inception.  The S2 and S006 are options.  I would like to try out the glass and CS for strobe work outside.   The video option of the S3 would make for unique footage.  My SL and S1H will do for now, but I am here looking for S3 news.  I want to experience Leica medium format.

[dritz]

Buy an S to L adapter and pick up the 70-S used. You won't get "it all" but you will get a strong sense of its rendering. I no longer own an S (long story) but am happy with the S lenses on the SL 601.  You can buy 3 used SL 601 for the cost of one S007 circuit board repair.  If this were my living, I would want the real deal of an S but since it's a hobby and my 'clients' are friends, family, non-profits and I'm working for free, the SL + S lenses produces exceptional images that need little editing, make great prints (Epson P600), and is a physical pleasure to use.

PS. Only switch S lenses with the SL body powered off.

[Chaemono]

At 1:17:50 the start to talk about the difference in IQ between the S 007 and the SL2

 

 

[John Smith]

15 hours ago, Chaemono said:

At 1:17:50 the start to talk about the difference in IQ between the S 007 and the SL2

 

 

Interesting presentation. There was a photographer who joined in the discussion who said her 60x40 prints with the SL2 were a tad better than those with the S. I wish they had talked more about prints.

[LeicaR10]

The interesting thing about the photographers comparing these Leica cameras...it is still apples and oranges.  The S007 and S3 are medium format cameras, the SL2 is a 35mm FF camera.  The S cameras larger sensors have larger pixels while the SL2 stuffs more MPs in the same 35mm sensor area.  As a user of the S007 and S3 for my business, the S system sensors and S lenses render in a more smooth, cinematic way.  IMO, the S cameras and lenses are the perfect system for serious landscape photographers.  I use to own the SL2 system and my clients rejected photographs as being "too perfect".  The SL2 and SL lenses are technically superb, yet as my corporate and private collector clients told me, the photographs lack character as the lenses and sensor render in a "perfect" or "in your face" as one collector told me.  My clients, IMO are correct, plus they pay the freight.  So the SL2 system went to eBay.  My clients want very large photographs with wide dynamic range, detail and rendering with some "feeling" or "character".  The S system delivers this is spades, the SL2 delivers "technically perfect" and if you will, "state of the art photographs", unfortunately not suitable for my client base.  Every photographer has their own needs and wants.  My clients buy photographs based on their content that makes people; Stop, Look, Think and if possible "Feel" something about that moment in time.  Often the sense of "feeling" comes from the rendering of the scene.  Bottomline:  Just like I teach my students, I encourage photographers to concentrate on "Content" of the photograph vs the ever expanding universe of MPs that in reality, mean absolutely nothing.  r/ Mark

Edited May 18, 2020 by LeicaR10

[John Smith]

19 hours ago, LeicaR10 said:

The interesting thing about the photographers comparing these Leica cameras...it is still apples and oranges.  The S007 and S3 are medium format cameras, the SL2 is a 35mm FF camera.  The S cameras larger sensors have larger pixels while the SL2 stuffs more MPs in the same 35mm sensor area.  As a user of the S007 and S3 for my business, the S system sensors and S lenses render in a more smooth, cinematic way.  IMO, the S cameras and lenses are the perfect system for serious landscape photographers.  I use to own the SL2 system and my clients rejected photographs as being "too perfect".  The SL2 and SL lenses are technically superb, yet as my corporate and private collector clients told me, the photographs lack character as the lenses and sensor render in a "perfect" or "in your face" as one collector told me.  My clients, IMO are correct, plus they pay the freight.  So the SL2 system went to eBay.  My clients want very large photographs with wide dynamic range, detail and rendering with some "feeling" or "character".  The S system delivers this is spades, the SL2 delivers "technically perfect" and if you will, "state of the art photographs", unfortunately not suitable for my client base.  Every photographer has their own needs and wants.  My clients buy photographs based on their content that makes people; Stop, Look, Think and if possible "Feel" something about that moment in time.  Often the sense of "feeling" comes from the rendering of the scene.  Bottomline:  Just like I teach my students, I encourage photographers to concentrate on "Content" of the photograph vs the ever expanding universe of MPs that in reality, mean absolutely nothing.  r/ Mark

I guess she was stupidly foolish, then, to compare her SL2 prints to her S prints. Too bad somebody didn't chime in and tell her about "too perfect" and "in your face" and that her SL2 prints didn't have any feeling. 

[Jeff S]

Post processing and print workflow (and of course shooting techniques and conditions) also allow one to create a variety of renderings, including making a 'perfect' rendering less than perfect, but pretty hard to make something perfect that otherwise is not.  Anyway, those terms are silly to me, as there's no such thing as a perfect print; all a matter of taste, and all subject to user input, not just the gear.  The S and SL systems are hardly roadblocks to potentially stunning prints in my experience.  But I admittedly don't make monster sized prints. Whatever works.

Jeff

[tom0511]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb John Smith:

I guess she was stupidly foolish, then, to compare her SL2 prints to her S prints. Too bad somebody didn't chime in and tell her about "too perfect" and "in your face" and that her SL2 prints didn't have any feeling. 

Besides criticicing other peoples opinion with irony - would you mind to share your opinion/experience? I mean about the systems and IQ?

[LeicaR10]

John Smith and Jeff S,  I feel you may have misunderstood what I wrote in my Post # 31.  First, I never mentioned the woman comparing her SL2 and S prints.  She was comparing her results.  My post #31 was a general statement based on my results and I was sharing what my clients told me when I shot the SL2 vs S system.  Simply put, my corporate and private collector clients don't like how the SL system renders photographs and they pay the bills.  Second, I never mentioned "perfect print" or "perfect rendering" those are your own thoughts and certainly entitled to them.  My point remains, the SL system is a superbly competent technical state of art tool that renders in a manner that my clients do no like for their requirements....again, that is all.  As I wrote before, every photographer has different needs and wants.  The S system meets my client requirements and SL system does not.  r/ Mark

PS:  For Tom0511...Thank you. That is exactly what I was trying to do...Offer my experiences with both systems and IQ.  I appreciate your recognition of my post #31.

[Jeff S]

23 hours ago, LeicaR10 said:

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....  I use to own the SL2 system and my clients rejected photographs as being "too perfect".  The SL2 and SL lenses are technically superb, yet as my corporate and private collector clients told me, the photographs lack character as the lenses and sensor render in a "perfect" or "in your face" as one collector told me.  

...the SL2 delivers "technically perfect" and if you will, "state of the art photographs"

You (or your clients) used the term ‘perfect’, just as you have the other 5 or 6 times you’ve repeated this same essential post.  And my response was that the user has the power and control to moderate and influence renderings in myriad ways.  No right or wrong, but if gear alone dictated rendering, we’d all produce the same looking prints. How boring that would be.

Jeff

[ropo54]

I think  most of us understood what Leica R10 was meaning to say. David Farkas and Josh Lehrer echoed a similar sentiment: The Leica SL lenses render with "perfection" just as the M lenses render with imperfections/character;  in their opinion the S lenses seem to capture a midpoint between the 2 series of lenses.   Leica R10 was simply stating that his clients prefer the S renderings. 

[Jeff S]

So 3 systems, 3 renderings. Good to know. My viewers and customers have no idea what gear I use; no correlation between gear used and picture/print preferences.  David and Josh sell gear. That requires specific distinctions.  At the end of the S discussion, David chuckled and noted that it was hard parsing the small differences at the level all this gear obtains. And that's without even getting into critical user related factors, which was my point.  As I like to repeat, the most important tools remain between the ears. But that doesn't sell gear.

Jeff

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[ropo54]

The term "perfection" was connoting optical perfection.  

Perhaps if you took the same shot with each of the 3 systems, your clients might express a preference, and you might have that elusive answer. (Or not).

(It seems Leica R10 is saying that he has done something similar enough and his clients have expressed their preferences).

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by ropo54

[Jeff S]

18 minutes ago, ropo54 said:

The term "perfection" was connoting optical perfection.  

Perhaps if you took the same shot with all 3 systems, your clients might express a preference, and you might have that elusive answer. (Or not).

 

I understand the meaning.  But I never make a print without editing, processing and printing decisions and alterations, film or digital. Can't recall ever making a straight out of camera print. I hope my viewers have picture/print preferences, not gear preferences. But, as noted, I don't make monster sized prints.  I'm not questioning his clients' preferences; they are what they are.

Jeff

Edited May 19, 2020 by Jeff S