setuporg Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1 Posted January 24, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) After using both side by side for a while, I must say that almost every shot from the S is more interesting than those from SL2. Sure you get great shots from SL2, and many beautifully defocused when using the SL Crons or the 0.95 M Noct. But, almost every shot of people or near objects with the S is at least as beautiful or more, and the colors, atmosphere, acuity, energy are all subtly better. OTOH, the SL2 shoots great video and its AF is much better for people or cats. The tough conclusion is that one ought to keep both. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 Hi setuporg, Take a look here S 007 renders better than SL2. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ynp Posted January 24, 2020 Share #2 Posted January 24, 2020 Size matters. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 25, 2020 Share #3 Posted January 25, 2020 My color preference: S2/S006.>>SL2>>S007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted January 25, 2020 Share #4 Posted January 25, 2020 Setuporg, I agree with you. IMO, the way the S renders color and lenses draw are certainly more interesting in their own right. My clients like the S rendering versus the SL or SL II as they tell me the latter is more "in your face" as one client told me. Most of my clients like the soft pastel hues the S renders. I think it gets down to how one visualizes color. Since I never shoot video, I can not comment on that aspect. Right now, I keep all three systems; M, S and SL but have entertained the idea of using only the M and and S for my landscape work. I will wait for the M10-R and see how that camera renders color before deciding. The M10-M for B&W is superb. Right now, due to creeping age limitations, I use the S for 0 - 5 miles of hiking, SL for 5 -15 miles and M for any challenging and long-distance or remote hiking. With the S, I finally found a perfectly calibrated 30-90 S that takes care of most of my S work requirements. But, in the end, it remains the content of the photograph that is most important. r/ Mark 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted January 25, 2020 Share #5 Posted January 25, 2020 12 hours ago, LeicaR10 said: With the S, I finally found a perfectly calibrated 30-90 S So it is possible, then! Fingers crossed for mine! 🤞 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted January 25, 2020 Share #6 Posted January 25, 2020 I beta tested the SL2 and on paper the SL lenses and all bells and whistles of SL2 might outperform the S system and the S lenses, the rendering of the S imho superior, more organic more cinematic feeling. The sensor size advantage of the S and pixel density, still has a major impact on way the images look. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted January 25, 2020 Share #7 Posted January 25, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Plus 16bit and the malleability of the files john 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted January 26, 2020 Share #8 Posted January 26, 2020 Milan_S, Your post #6 is IMO, spot on. r/ Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 26, 2020 Share #9 Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 1:03 AM, ZHNL said: My color preference: S2/S006.>>SL2>>S007 Interesting. Having the S006 but not the S007, is it possible to describe the colour rendering difference? And yes, I love the S006 (at lowish ISO). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted January 26, 2020 Share #10 Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, helged said: Interesting. Having the S006 but not the S007, is it possible to describe the colour rendering difference? And yes, I love the S006 (at lowish ISO). The S007 renders the skin tones a bit different and colours are a little more on the green side but I have become so used on them and the output is very nice still very organic compared to the SL2 colors and rendering. A combination I loved colors wise was the S CCD and Contax 80mm f2, very pastel like absolutely gorgeous if you are for example a wedding photographer Here a portrait with the S2 and 80mm f2 Contax Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305705-s-007-renders-better-than-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3899769'>More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 26, 2020 Share #11 Posted January 26, 2020 I still have and keep my Contax 80. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 26, 2020 Share #12 Posted January 26, 2020 7 hours ago, helged said: Interesting. Having the S006 but not the S007, is it possible to describe the colour rendering difference? And yes, I love the S006 (at lowish ISO). SL2(Panasonic S1 is also similar) have very nice red channel. So was S006/S2. They both much easy to get skin tone I like. S007’s file is too green/yellow to my like. Red is “muddy”. I usually spend more time with S007 file. SL2 and S1 almost always get nice starting point. I am sensitive to color and build a strong preference over the year. I don’t expect everyone agree with me. The DR and other benefits still make 007 a better S camera but for color, I just love S006 and think that make S camera special. And certainly 16 bit file will distance S to FF offer with both 006 and 007. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 26, 2020 Share #13 Posted January 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, ZHNL said: SL2(Panasonic S1 is also similar) have very nice red channel. So was S006/S2. They both much easy to get skin tone I like. S007’s file is too green/yellow to my like. Red is “muddy”. I usually spend more time with S007 file. SL2 and S1 almost always get nice starting point. I am sensitive to color and build a strong preference over the year. I don’t expect everyone agree with me. Maybe there’s a reason Toni Felsner (2018 interview with David Farkas) emphasized that the new color array in the S3 had an improved red channel, with better skin tones. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted January 27, 2020 Share #14 Posted January 27, 2020 15 hours ago, Jeff S said: Maybe there’s a reason Toni Felsner (2018 interview with David Farkas) emphasized that the new color array in the S3 had an improved red channel, with better skin tones. Jeff Ironically skin tone is the one area I tend to struggle most with the 007 as it has a distinct tendency to bloom in the red channel when rendering skin tones . I almost always have to greatly reduce the red and then desaturate in order to get the skin tone right. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted January 27, 2020 Share #15 Posted January 27, 2020 Looking forward to seeing how the color is with the S3...just wish they would get on with it, lol. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 28, 2020 Share #16 Posted January 28, 2020 I’m curious about the colour science that went into the S3 too. Among other things. It’s late here, but maybe someone can open a new thread where we can post our questions. And maybe Andreas can make a list and ask someone at Leica if they could answer us when the camera is presented? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted January 28, 2020 Share #17 Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, peterv said: I’m curious about the colour science that went into the S3 too. Among other things. It’s late here, but maybe someone can open a new thread where we can post our questions. And maybe Andreas can make a list and ask someone at Leica if they could answer us when the camera is presented? Great idea, we can group our questions regarding the S3 and present them to mr Felsner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted January 28, 2020 Share #18 Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 4:29 PM, setuporg said: After using both side by side for a while, I must say that almost every shot from the S is more interesting than those from SL2. Sure you get great shots from SL2, and many beautifully defocused when using the SL Crons or the 0.95 M Noct. But, almost every shot of people or near objects with the S is at least as beautiful or more, and the colors, atmosphere, acuity, energy are all subtly better. OTOH, the SL2 shoots great video and its AF is much better for people or cats. The tough conclusion is that one ought to keep both. I have both the S007 and the SL2. I wouldn't say that the S007's photographs are "better." The renderings are a bit different, but it all depends on what you are looking to do. I wouldn't put one system over the other at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 28, 2020 Share #19 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Agent M10 said: The renderings are a bit different, but it all depends on what you are looking to do. How would you characterise a typical S/SL job? For what type of work do you choose one over the other? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted January 28, 2020 Share #20 Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Milan_S said: Great idea, we can group our questions regarding the S3 and present them to mr Felsner. Thanks, consider it done 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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