M Summilux 90 f1.5

[adan]

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On 12/3/2019 at 2:06 PM, earleygallery said:

Too slow, where's the 90mm Noctilux?

You mean you don't have yours yet?

https://leicarumors.com/2012/12/03/leica-90mm-f1-0-lens-noctilux-coffee-mug-ms-optical-sonnetar-50mm-f1-1-review.aspx/

[evikne]

6 minutes ago, adan said:

You mean you don't have yours yet?

https://leicarumors.com/2012/12/03/leica-90mm-f1-0-lens-noctilux-coffee-mug-ms-optical-sonnetar-50mm-f1-1-review.aspx/

Well, fast lenses weren't small in the old days either …

[james.liam]

14 hours ago, jaeger said:

perfect equals no characters.  very sad.

Perhaps it’s Simply a character you don’t care for?

[oka]

23 hours ago, jaeger said:

I also notice fast lenses are getting bigger and bigger... I think the smallest glass is 35mm f/1.4 then 50mm f/1.4, otherwise everything is BIG!

...from the "new" lenses, on my opinion lux28 is great on size.

BUT

...there are pressure from the Canon and Nikon for race for "perfect" lenses. Most non Leica users cannot see, nor understand the strenghts of Leica lenses other than the sharpness and with the new bigger and modern mounts, Canon and Nikon are able to make much sharper lenses than before. To keep it up with the competition, Leica needs to up their game too but this race is not practical for the M as one of the reason why people love M is the size.

[luigi bertolotti]

Looking at leicarumors… if it's true that there was a first batch of 26 items… with numbers declared… there will be a new lens and some high ranking collectibles…

Edited December 5, 2019 by luigi bertolotti

[jaeger]

On 12/5/2019 at 10:41 AM, james.liam said:

Perhaps it’s Simply a character you don’t care for?

I probably don't understand what perfect means in this content.  Do you guys mean sharp from corner to corner?

[james.liam]

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[wattsy]

I thought this lens was already available. Just shows how much attention I pay to Leica (or indeed any other photographic) products nowadays.

[dem331]

On 12/4/2019 at 7:21 PM, oka said:

I’m bit puzzled on M and L mount lens releases.

Im started to think that these massive M lenses are not designed to be used on M but on L primarily.

...I feel it’s bit extension to the complains about initially released massive sized L lenses (vario and lux), which lead to the current line up of crons(?).

To fill up the gap on high speed lenses, it seems that Leica has decided not to make L mount lux but to concentrate high speed M lenses which could be used on both mounts.

I could focus with noct50 and handle the weight but with noct75 things gets hard but on SL, noct75 makes sense...

noct75 lens designed on L mount would be absolutely massive. Not Nikon noct58 massive but something similar.

Positive side of this strategy is that M line keeps current as there are “constantly” new lens releases but on flip side these lenses has odd speeds as design is limited on RF focus accuracy.

What makes L lenses huge, as I understand it, is the AF motor. Since I don’t think they can bring out an L lens without AF , it makes sense to bring out all these M lenses which are only really designed to be used with an EVF, doesn’t it? 

[dkmoore]

6 hours ago, dem331 said:

What makes L lenses huge, as I understand it, is the AF motor. Since I don’t think they can bring out an L lens without AF , it makes sense to bring out all these M lenses which are only really designed to be used with an EVF, doesn’t it? 

No, not really. They are designed for the M camera. 
 

If not, they would simply change the mount and creat a manual focus line, which could easily be adapted to the M camera if desired. 
 

it would be easier to design The 75 Noctilux for the SL because of distance to sensor and the mount size. They spend extra time developing the M lenses to work with their M camera, which has tighter tolerances as for positioning of the lens elements due to ray angles and max size of Lens elements. 

[dem331]

1 hour ago, dkmoore said:

No, not really. They are designed for the M camera. 
 

If not, they would simply change the mount and creat a manual focus line, which could easily be adapted to the M camera if desired. 
 

it would be easier to design The 75 Noctilux for the SL because of distance to sensor and the mount size. They spend extra time developing the M lenses to work with their M camera, which has tighter tolerances as for positioning of the lens elements due to ray angles and max size of Lens elements. 

You are right of course,  naturally they are designed for the M camera.

But who can really use a 90mm f1.5 at maximum aperture without an EVF?  Of course there are some, but they fall into the category of those that In the old days were able to hand-hold an M6 with a 135mm at 2s exposure standing on one leg.  So most mortals who can afford such a lens will put it on an M with an EVF or use the SL2. And I suspect, although I may be wrong,  that most of the buyers will be SL users. 
 

I would love Leica to bring out a small 35-70mm f2.8 MF L zoom, for example but I can’t see it happening, nor do I believe that it would make commercial sense for them to do so, even if they sold well, because it would I think confuse the market. The SL is the all-modern auto everything offering and the M is the old-school everything manual one.
 

The L to M adaptor is the tool that entices us to mix the two systems at home and buy into both of them.  And since Leica lenses last forever they will continue to bring out exotic offerings in the M range that only make sense to use when coupled with an EVF, be it SL, CL or M.

 

[ianman]

10 hours ago, wattsy said:

I thought this lens was already available. Just shows how much attention I pay to Leica (or indeed any other photographic) products nowadays.

They’ve stopped making the M6. Thought you should know 😊

[ianman]

On 12/5/2019 at 6:41 PM, james.liam said:

Perhaps it’s Simply a character you don’t care for?

Sometimes to say something (or someone) perfect has character is like saying something (or someone) boring is interesting. It’s certainly a characteristic but not always a welcome one in all instances.

[oka]

9 hours ago, dem331 said:

What makes L lenses huge, as I understand it, is the AF motor. Since I don’t think they can bring out an L lens without AF , it makes sense to bring out all these M lenses which are only really designed to be used with an EVF, doesn’t it? 

...one of the reason why L lenses are huge is the quality of the optics - which far exceeds the M. If Leica creates L mount lens (with AF) which performs similarly to the M, it would be much smaller.

It seems that Leica has decided their L mount lenses prioritize on quality than the weight and size. Which then lead them to the current Summicron line which balances the weight and size nicely. If Leica creates similar lenses like RF 50 f1.2, it would be absolutely massive and probably that is reason why they have stopped on f1.4 than f1.2 (or even faster).

[dem331]

So would you say that an SL lens would  always be “better” than the equivalent modern M lens? Better as defined by @james.liam above? 

[lct]

44 minutes ago, dem331 said:

So would you say that an SL lens would  always be “better” than the equivalent modern M lens? Better as defined by @james.liam above? 

One can expect it given the size of the beast. There is no free lunch .

[IkarusJohn]

2 hours ago, dem331 said:

So would you say that an SL lens would  always be “better” than the equivalent modern M lens? Better as defined by @james.liam above? 

In my experience, yes.  All the SL lenses are better than the M equivalents, depending how you define better.

[Leicaiste]

On 12/9/2019 at 8:34 PM, dem331 said:

I would love Leica to bring out a small 35-70mm f2.8 MF L zoom, for example but I can’t see it happening, nor do I believe that it would make commercial sense for them to do so, even if they sold well, because it would I think confuse the market. The SL is the all-modern auto everything offering and the M is the old-school everything manual one.

They did that in R mount, it was not small and they quickly stopped making it. 
 

 

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[tobey bilek]

Still have my 90 2.0 pre aph I ordered in early 1980`s.  Sleeps in a nice place 99.99% of the time.  90 macro elmar goes in the bag.

I am not much interested in converting a little used Bag Bay golf cart to carrying heavy camera gear.  Just my opinion.

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[RexGig0]

As others have stated, it is good to know that such a lens exists. I will also echo those who have stated a preference for smaller lenses, on M cameras. My Zeiss 1,4/35mm Distagon ZM, and Leica Thambar-M 90mm, are probably about as large as I will want to use on an M10. I doubt that I will raid my retirement savings, in order to buy 90mm Summilux or 75mm Noctilux lenses.

I reserve the right to change my mind, of course. I shoot heavy lenses, hand-held, up to the 2900-to-3100-gram weight range, on SLRs. My technique does not require that the lens “balance” the camera, when using lenses up to Zeiss Otus size, on a tiny Nikon Df. Someday, a pre-owned Noctilux 75mm or 90mm Summilux may tempt me, at the local Leica dealer.

Edited December 16, 2019 by RexGig0