tommonego@gmail.com Posted November 26, 2019 Share #21  Posted November 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am considering the 11-23 also, I have an adapted 11-16 f2.8 Tokina which on my Nikon was a wonderful lens, but it is difficult and fussy on the CL, think it has to do with a focusing ring that is just too easy to move, it's better with AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eev776 Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share #22  Posted November 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: I am considering the 11-23 also, I have an adapted 11-16 f2.8 Tokina which on my Nikon was a wonderful lens, but it is difficult and fussy on the CL, think it has to do with a focusing ring that is just too easy to move, it's better with AF. Good consideration. I think with Leica it's always best way to go using native lenses, I tried to think of other brands like Zeiss and Voigtländer, but clearly realizing that to get pure Leica experince I got to use Leica lenses only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 27, 2019 Share #23  Posted November 27, 2019 14 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: I'm puzzled by this. Noise is normally down to the camera, not the lens, and although a lens may have a colour cast, I haven't heard of any lens where it is bad enough that it can't be corrected with a simple import preset in post. I don't have this lens, but I have heard none of these criticisms from others who have used it, including @ramarren. I could understand distortion, but not colour and noise problems.  14 hours ago, eev776 said: I simply stating my personal experience with Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6, if you had a different experience with it, it's all yours, I had it for 3 years and I don't miss it. Saying something is a "terrible lens" is a pretty strong statement IMO. I have no problem with the Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6 .. It produces stunningly sharp, clear, solid photographs. Of course, it's f/5.6 so true low light work takes a bit of effort to achieve great results, but that's just the nature of the beast. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica CL + Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6 :: ISO 6400 @ f/8 @ 1/6 sec, hand held 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica CL + Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6 :: ISO 6400 @ f/8 @ 1/6 sec, hand held ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303843-wide-lens-for-low-light-conditions-for-cl-camera-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3862674'>More sharing options...
bags27 Posted November 27, 2019 Share #24  Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: I am considering the 11-23 also, I have an adapted 11-16 f2.8 Tokina which on my Nikon was a wonderful lens, but it is difficult and fussy on the CL, think it has to do with a focusing ring that is just too easy to move, it's better with AF. Right. I was unimpressed with my Nikon Tokina on my CL. I bought the 11-23, which is an excellent lens. Slower than the Tokina, but of course also lighter. And certainly a lot better on the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #25  Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ramarren said:  Saying something is a "terrible lens" is a pretty strong statement IMO. I have no problem with the Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6 .. It produces stunningly sharp, clear, solid photographs. Of course, it's f/5.6 so true low light work takes a bit of effort to achieve great results, but that's just the nature of the beast. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica CL + Voigtländer 10mm f/5.6 :: ISO 6400 @ f/8 @ 1/6 sec, hand held Sorry, but this image looks grainy to me, not much workaround in low light conditions you can do with f/5.6. I seen your photos on Flickr, you got some cool stuff man! There is lots of photographers who love noise and grain, it makes photos look like film photography and I dig that, but it does not work for me, I expect sharp and clear no grain/noise quality. I'm just curios what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? Edited November 27, 2019 by eev776 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted November 27, 2019 Share #26 Â Posted November 27, 2019 I was just looking on B&H, seems Sigma is coming out with a 14mm L mount f1.8. Looked kind of chubby weighs 2.6lb vs 13oz for the 11-23. Just a couple hundred $ less. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #27  Posted November 27, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: I was just looking on B&H, seems Sigma is coming out with a 14mm L mount f1.8. Looked kind of chubby weighs 2.6lb vs 13oz for the 11-23. Just a couple hundred $ less. Looks like an interesting lens, f1.8 is very attractive, but such a heavy lens, I might try it at Samy's in LA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 27, 2019 Share #28  Posted November 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, eev776 said: Sorry, but this image looks grainy to me, not much workaround in low light conditions you can do with f/5.6. I seen your photos on Flickr, you got some cool stuff man! There is lots of photographers who love noise and grain, it makes photos look like film photography and I dig that, but it does not work for me, I expect sharp and clear no grain/noise quality. I'm just curios what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? The photograph was made at ISO 6400, and that is going to  be a bit noisy ... which has NOTHING to do with the lens. It has to do with the camera sensor at that ISO settings. The same will be true if you use the 11-23mm lens at f/8 and ISO 6400. If you're looking for ISO 100 smoothness, get a tripod and use it to make long exposures. That will limit what you can photograph in other ways. 😶 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #29  Posted November 27, 2019 58 minutes ago, ramarren said: The photograph was made at ISO 6400, and that is going to  be a bit noisy ... which has NOTHING to do with the lens. It has to do with the camera sensor at that ISO settings. The same will be true if you use the 11-23mm lens at f/8 and ISO 6400. If you're looking for ISO 100 smoothness, get a tripod and use it to make long exposures. That will limit what you can photograph in other ways. 😶 And what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 27, 2019 Share #30 Â Posted November 27, 2019 The only adapter that gives full functionality with M mount lenses is the original Leica one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 27, 2019 Share #31  Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, eev776 said: Sorry, but this image looks grainy to me, not much workaround in low light conditions you can do with f/5.6. I seen your photos on Flickr, you got some cool stuff man! There is lots of photographers who love noise and grain, it makes photos look like film photography and I dig that, but it does not work for me, I expect sharp and clear no grain/noise quality. I'm just curios what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? Much of the noise could be removed with for instance Topaz Sharpen AI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #32  Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: Much of the noise could be removed with for instance Topaz Sharpen AI. This is a really cool software. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #33 Â Posted November 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, jaapv said: The only adapter that gives full functionality with M mount lenses is the original Leica one. Would you share a web link to that adapter to use it on Leica CL camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 27, 2019 Share #34 Â Posted November 27, 2019 Leica's site, Adorama, B&H, any Leica store or dealer, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 27, 2019 Share #35  Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, eev776 said: And what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? Leica M-Adapter L # 18771 available at Leica dealers and e**y here. Expensive but allows to trigger focus magnification with the CL's top dials. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 27, 2019 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303843-wide-lens-for-low-light-conditions-for-cl-camera-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3862962'>More sharing options...
eev776 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share #36  Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, lct said: Leica M-Adapter L # 18771 available at Leica dealers and e**y here. Expensive but allows to trigger focus magnification with the CL's top dials. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks a lot, appreciate your answer! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 28, 2019 Share #37  Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) On 11/26/2019 at 8:45 PM, eev776 said: And what adapter you using on your CL to shoot with Voigtländer? For all M-mount lenses, I use the Leica M Adapter L. For all R-mount lenses, I use the Leica R Adapter M stacked onto the M Adapter L. Since I only have M and R mount lenses for the CL (no L-mount lenses) I just leave the M Adapter L on the camera all the time. Mine is an older one, labeled "M Adapter T" before Leica renamed the mount to be "L mount": Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 28, 2019 by ramarren Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303843-wide-lens-for-low-light-conditions-for-cl-camera-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3863757'>More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 28, 2019 Share #38  Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 12:16 AM, jaapv said: Much of the noise could be removed with for instance Topaz Sharpen AI. Likely true, but I really dislike the look of images with heavy noise removal. The CL sensor noise at ISO 6400 is, to my eye, not unpleasant at all ... It has a quality much like the noise of grain in my small format B&W images, particularly in B&W rendering. The typical purple/cyan, splotchy color noise is the one that bugs me when it's around. I filter that to eliminate it, or give it a pleasant appearance. The CL thankfully produces extremely little color noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dippy Posted November 29, 2019 Share #39  Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) I have 3 photos to show you. The first is straight out of camera except for being straightened up. It's taken with the 11-23 at ISO6400 and 1/80th sec. it has no noise reduction or sharpening. The second is the same image post processed with just standard NR reduction in LR. Sharpened in LR and processed to taste. The 11-23 is a fine lens and the CL works perfectly well at this ISO and higher if you get sufficient light into the sensor. As Paul has already pointed out, noise is a function of the sensor not a function of the lens. The third image is taken with the Voigtlander 10mm f5.6mm. It's not great in low light but like this, on a tripod at ISO 100 at f11 the low light shots are stellar. Shooting architecture with a wide open UWA  is a questionable approach in my book unless the architecture you want to be in focus lives in a single plane. I shoot a lot of architecture and low light shots are always done on a tripod if I'm being serious. anything else is just me hoping I'll get lucky or being ng prepared to compromise on sharpness and noise. Here we go: TL 11-23 at 11mm, 1/80th, ISO6400 EDIT: Aperture for this shot was f3.5  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edited November 29, 2019 by Dippy 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303843-wide-lens-for-low-light-conditions-for-cl-camera-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3864411'>More sharing options...
Dippy Posted November 29, 2019 Share #40  Posted November 29, 2019 Same image as above after some light PP in LR Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303843-wide-lens-for-low-light-conditions-for-cl-camera-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3864412'>More sharing options...
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