JerryYordy Posted November 24, 2019 Share #1 Posted November 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) What is the difference between the TL/TL2 and the CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 24, 2019 Share #2 Posted November 24, 2019 Just look at them... Different bodies, different UI, the T series has no built-in EVF. Most important difference: The CL has not been polished by hand for 45 minutes to the music of a Beethoven symphony by veteran tecnicians who have been trained by disciples of Barnack. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 24, 2019 Share #3 Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jaapv said: The CL has not been polished by hand for 45 minutes to the music of a Beethoven symphony by veteran tecnicians who have been trained by disciples of Barnack. They were allowed Mozart as well if memory serves . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted November 24, 2019 Share #4 Posted November 24, 2019 Every aspect of the T family was painstaking thought out in cooperation with the best industrial design consultants from the Audi Bureau : the resulting sculpted design is a work of art, with a cutting edge touch GUI that is very fast and intuitive to use. However back at the start, in 2013 or so, a built in EVF was too deemed too difficult a problem and not such a big thing for customers anyway as they could buy a visoflex. By 2017 the lack of internal EVF had become a massive impediment to sales, so the CL was sketched out one night in Wetzlar over a few beers 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkS Posted November 24, 2019 Share #5 Posted November 24, 2019 The T-series is the better design-art-object, the CL the better camera…. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted November 24, 2019 Share #6 Posted November 24, 2019 TL = forget CL = keep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryYordy Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted November 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks everyone for your replies. I appreciated the humor. I was thinking of getting one for my wife, who already has a Q-P. Sounds like the CL is the better choice. Thanks again, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted November 25, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 25, 2019 My opinion is TL2, I chose it because I liked it more than CL. It is a very personal opinion and I do not pretend it is the best and true one. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 25, 2019 Share #9 Posted November 25, 2019 The TL2 is beautiful and much nicer made and to look at. Its screen is bigger and touch focus and shoot genuinely works the best of any camera I have tried If you gell with the TL system, its a stunning camera, fun to use and uses the same super sharp 24mp sensor as the CL without an AA filter (which is why the CL/TL2 are the best APS-C digital cameras) Its problem was that it was too far out for Leica shooters, not marketed enough for non-Leica shooters and the lenses were, and are, IMHO just too expensive (this is a CL issue as well). The lens issue has been somewhat offset by the second hand market. The body is not bad value, particularly with discounting The CL is a more conventional system with an EVF and has sold much more. It has a higher retaining value The CL also has the standard Panasonic BCL-12 battery, the TL series use a custom battery that fits into the body shape The CL is the Omega Seamaster 300M, the TL2 is the Bell Ross Bronze Green Diver, more beautiful and fun in every way but large depreciation 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 25, 2019 Share #10 Posted November 25, 2019 18 hours ago, JerryYordy said: I was thinking of getting one for my wife, who already has a Q-P. Sounds like the CL is the better choice. Depends upon SWMBO's taste i guess. Mine would have the feeling to use an antique camera i suspect. She prefers smartphones anyway so she would let the CL in its box most probably. Now would i offer her a TL2? Too expensive for a gameboy folks! Just kidding . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 25, 2019 Share #11 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Hi I have TL2 and am very happy with it. There is no doubt that CL is more popular. But TL2 is often cheaper, especially if you do not need external visoflex. You really get a quality camera. CL definitely - if you want to use M optics for it. Otherwise, I'd say the TL2 is a super camera. For a very reasonable price. Edited November 25, 2019 by Kim Dahl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted November 25, 2019 Share #12 Posted November 25, 2019 I bought the TL2 with the 18-56 zoom for a travel camera when I don't want to take my M10 + lenses. Hoping Leica will produce a new EVF with higher resolution to fit the TL2, giving the camera an instant upgrade. Both the CL and TL2 use the same lenses, try both of them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 25, 2019 Share #13 Posted November 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: TL2 is a super camera. For a very reasonable price. You mean for what price compared to the CL? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 25, 2019 Share #14 Posted November 25, 2019 In Denmark, TL2 is about DKK 5,000 ($ 740) cheaper than CL. It is about 25% cheaper then Laica CL. But if you need a viewfinder.... In the used market you can often find a really good deal on the Leica TL2. The Leica TL2 feels like my leica MD - very solid. But these are two completely different cameras. Love them both, but for different things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 25, 2019 Share #15 Posted November 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: In Denmark, TL2 is about DKK 5,000 ($ 740) cheaper than CL. It is about 25% cheaper then Laica CL. On black copies here (France) EUR 1839 (TL2) vs 1999 (CL) so less than 10%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 25, 2019 Share #16 Posted November 25, 2019 In danmark 14.995 dkr TL2 and 19.495 dkr Leica CL Leica Frederiksberg. CL is expensive in Denmark :-// Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 25, 2019 Share #17 Posted November 25, 2019 If the "same" price I would maybe also by Leica CL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 26, 2019 Share #18 Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Leica seems to have already abandoned the TL2. No firmware update since June 2018 ! CL got all the love, with latest update release in June 2019 ! Even if TL2 badly needs an update, due to its slower than CL AF speed. Which is really weird for a camera sharing the same Maestro II chip. Want more proof ? Leica did not bother to make any special edition for TL2. CL got four already. A sign of good health in the lineup. Only best selling cameras got special edition treatment. Another hints : Leica SL2 gave up unibody aluminium. I don’t think that they will maintain such facilities in Portugal for the TL2 alone. With the creation of their very own design studio in Munich, Leica stated that they will no longer need the help external design team to make future cameras. FYI T, TL and TL2 were designed by the Audi design studio. I will expect no TL3 in the future. Edited November 26, 2019 by nicci78 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUSe Posted November 26, 2019 Share #19 Posted November 26, 2019 vor 22 Minuten schrieb nicci78: Leica seems to have already abandoned the TL2. No firmware update since June 2018 ! CL got all the love, with latest update release in June 2019 ! Even if TL2 badly needs an update, due to its slower than CL AF speed. Which is really weird for a camera sharing the same Maestro II chip. Want more proof ? Leica did not bother to make any special edition for TL2. CL got four already. A sign of good health in the lineup. Only best selling cameras got special edition treatment. Another hints : Leica SL2 gave up unibody aluminium. I don’t think that they will maintain such facilities in Portugal for the TL2 alone. With the creation of their very own design studio in Munich, Leica stated that they will no longer need the help external design team to make future cameras. FYI T, TL and TL2 were designed by the Audi design studio. I will expect no TL3 in the future. Leica special editions are about leathering and engravings. Which would severely affect the look of the TL2., unless you are asking for a golden body. There are no special editions for the SL or S either, yet they are alive and kicking. Future will show the fate of the TL product line, but at this time this is pure guessing. There are fans of the TL line who prefer it to the CL. Which means nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 26, 2019 Share #20 Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Professional line tends to not have special edition. Even if Leica S typ 006 proved us wrong with the 100 years edition. Colouring the TL2 into a special anodised colour is easy. Add a special half case and a matching strap. And voilà : special edition. But so far, they did not bother to do it. Even Leica Sofort got more love. Edited November 26, 2019 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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