SL2 EVF Mag issue... (Digiloyd)

[Chaemono]

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb Alistairm:

I'm not sure what the fuss is about, but I find the SL2 EVF better for manual focussing both M and L Mount lenses. 

+1.  The fuss about focus peaking is based on the wrong expectation that it’s a precise focusing tool like a well calibrated rangefinder, just in a sort of digital way, IMO.  In theory it should be, but this is not the case today with either the a7R III, the Z7, or the SL2.  Using it comes down to technique. 
 

The second part of the fuss on the SL2 EVF in magnified mode is totally baffling.  Some users may perceive the SL2 EVF in magnified mode to appear less crisp than that of other cameras.  This is purely subjective.  I have no idea what people are talking about. The Z7 EVF isn’t even sharp at 1x live view because of its low resolution to begin with.  Magnified without focus peaking, the Z7 EVF is totally useless for focusing manual lenses.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Chaemono

[meerec]

2 hours ago, PeterGA said:

 

I guess that answers the question then ....LOL 

@meerec and when were you planning to buy me a coffee Mr "Wednesday" ? - Manly is just around the corner....

See you in Alexandria first 😜

[jaapv]

4 hours ago, Chaemono said:

+1.  The fuss about focus peaking is based on the wrong expectation that it’s a precise focusing tool like a well calibrated rangefinder, just in a sort of digital way, IMO.  In theory it should be, but this is not the case today with either the a7R III, the Z7, or the SL2.  Using it comes down to technique. 
 

The second part of the fuss on the SL2 EVF in magnified mode is totally baffling.  Some users may perceive the SL2 EVF in magnified mode to appear less crisp than that of other cameras.  This is purely subjective.  I have no idea what people are talking about. The Z7 EVF isn’t even sharp at 1x live view because of its low resolution to begin with.  Magnified without focus peaking, the Z7 EVF is totally useless for focusing manual lenses.

Actually, in theory focus peaking cannot be a precise tool as it depends on indicating the areas of highest contrast. That means that lighting , subject matter, lens contrast, DOF, focal length, etc, all affect the system. The best way to use it is to “walk” the peaking through the image and judge it like DOF. 

[Karl Heinz Marschner]

I still do not understand this very long discussion.

The answer is so easy: Whe using an EVF for focussing a manual lens, you have to do it with fully open aperture. The easiest way might be doing it with focus peaking at maximum magnification. But the really important thing is the open aperture. Otherwise the result will not be really accurate. Use a short speed to prevent blur. And, please, do not judge the image you see in the EVF. Make a print A0 (german standard approx. 80 x 120 cm) size. Or print a threefold magnified crop and print it A4 (20 x 30 cm) size. You will be surprised about the technical qualtity of your shot.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

13 hours ago, PeterGA said:

Gordon - are you sure it is Wednesday night ? - my invite was for Thursday.

Pete

Sorry, I meant Thursday. Doh!!

Gordon

[kuau]

Just got my SL2 today and using with my M lenses, 28 Elmarit, 35 Summicron, 50 Lux, and 75 APO I find manual focus to be an absolute pleasure and really exited to get out there and start shooting...

[sillbeers15]

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I deliberately attached my M50Noctilux onto my SL2 last evening. Using focus peaking to determine focus seems normal just as my previous SL.

Using the SL75 set with iAF + Prefocus did not show any abnormality in EVF. The only slight difference I noticed when I attach 90-280 shooting with AFC / Tracking, the AF tracking box does show flickering & soft focus as a result after the box turn green when I half press the shutter release button. That slight glitch in the EVF does not annoy me and the AF functions performed very well without any issue.

Hence I am puzzled about this tread with so much concerns from so many users.

[Chaemono]

vor einer Stunde schrieb sillbeers15:

[...] Hence I am puzzled about this tread with so much concerns from so many users.

And some non-users. 😂

[kuau]

There seems to be a common thread with most camera forums, the ones who point out all kinds of issues don’t even own the camera in the first place

[Jeff S]

28 minutes ago, kuau said:

There seems to be a common thread with most camera forums, the ones who point out all kinds of issues don’t even own the camera in the first place

Just like there were already complaints and strong opinions based solely on speculation before the camera was even released....and then changed over and over as rumors surfaced.  Welcome to Leica forum world.

Jeff

Edited November 27, 2019 by Jeff S

[Exodies]

So now we have seen clear pictures of the magnified viewfinder will those with fuzzy ones please take their cameras to be repaired.

[LBJ2]

10 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

I deliberately attached my M50Noctilux onto my SL2 last evening. Using focus peaking to determine focus seems normal just as my previous SL.

Using the SL75 set with iAF + Prefocus did not show any abnormality in EVF. The only slight difference I noticed when I attach 90-280 shooting with AFC / Tracking, the AF tracking box does show flickering & soft focus as a result after the box turn green when I half press the shutter release button. That slight glitch in the EVF does not annoy me and the AF functions performed very well without any issue.

Hence I am puzzled about this tread with so much concerns from so many users.

Thank you for the precise hands -on information. Very helpful.

Edited November 27, 2019 by LBJ2

[nicci78]

Don’t understand the issue here. 
My Q2 has no EVF problem at all. In live view or in playback everything is sharp. 
 

I did not have any issue to manually focus Summicron-R 90 with the SL2. EVF was perfectly sharp in liveview. 
 

All these claims are weird. 

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, nicci78 said:

Don’t understand the issue here. 
My Q2 has no EVF problem at all. In live view or in playback everything is sharp. 
 

I did not have any issue to manually focus Summicron-R 90 with the SL2. EVF was perfectly sharp in liveview. 
 

All these claims are weird. 

This is an SL2 discussion

[nicci78]

People are referring to a so called Q2 EVF issue to justify same issue with SL2 EVF. Even if the two cameras do not share the same EVF, neither the same processor. 

Anyway I haven't seen any issue with Q2, neither with SL2. So ? Is there a real problem here ? 

 

[Tailwagger]

4 hours ago, nicci78 said:

So ? Is there a real problem here ?

Not in my view. Others may disagree, but AFAIC, the X1DII EVF is garbage by comparison and I'm sitting here in my darkened, early morning living room looking through them side by side, real time.  There is no comparison.

I reiterate, if you can't get along with this EVF,  its going to be a while before you'll be able to own a mirrorless camera. For those coming to it from an OVF,  I can understand the brain dissonance, but for anyone whose shot regularly with an EVF, I can not imagine why they would not overjoyed unless they're of a mind never to be happy about anything. I cant speak to the original, nor the S1s and latest A7s, but of what I've shot and owned over the years this EVF so much better than any of them, its just astonishing.  As are the results coming out of camera, I might add. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Tailwagger

[Jeff S]

3 hours ago, Tailwagger said:

Not in my view. Others may disagree, but AFAIC, the X1DII EVF is garbage by comparison and I'm sitting here in my darkened, early morning living room looking through them side by side, real time.  There is no comparison.

 

Are you referring to SL2 and Q2 side by side, or SL2 and X1Dii?  I tested the X1D a long time ago and thought its EVF was ok, even compared to the SL, although it was a cloudy afternoon, so the light wasn’t challenging.  I briefly tested the SL2 on a bright, sunny day, and I found its EVF easier on the eye (less harsh contrast) than what I recall using the SL under similar skies.  I’m planning to check out the X1Dii sometime soon, hoping it’s a step up from the X1D’s EVF, but I wonder based on some comments about it.  Of course there’s nothing like extended use of any gear to reveal and adjust to performance behaviors.

Jeff

[Tailwagger]

1 minute ago, Jeff S said:

Are you referring to SL2 and Q2 side by side, or SL2 and X1Dii?  

SL2 vs X1DII. Don't own a Q2. At least in lowish light, the 'blad's evf is rather noisy.  It doesn't bother me, I find it perfectly acceptable, but for those who are more particular about this aspect of their cameras, in my view, its game, set, match to Leica. 

[Jeff S]

11 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

SL2 vs X1DII. Don't own a Q2. At least in lowish light, the 'blad's evf is rather noisy.  It doesn't bother me, I find it perfectly acceptable, but for those who are more particular about this aspect of their cameras, in my view, its game, set, match to Leica. 

I’ll have to remember to check it in the store, as I did with the SL2 in a Leica store, which was still nice viewing.

On a different note, the SL2 and 24-90 zoom combo seemed heavier and bigger than I remember (using SL, which is essentially same).  So, I’m going to mount the 80 f1.9 on the X1Dii (to approximate the size and weight of the expected XCD 35-75) to see how they compare ergonomically.  A versatile, carry around native zoom is one of my priorities.

Jeff

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