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SL2 EVF Mag issue... (Digiloyd)

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Exactly what I pointed out. I feel this is a big fuss about nothing and exactly what you would expect from taking a tiny bit of the image on the sensor and sticking it on a high resolution screen to v

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1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

My S1R works perfectly. 

So everyone is seeing it but you... 

Maybe you do need neurosurgical services... or you got a magical S1R and SL2.

BTW... when @photonc traded his S1 for my S1R, he immediately noticed. I never did, because I never used any M glass on the S1R. He says it was noticeably better on the lower rez S1... and SL. 

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I briefly handled the SL2 yesterday at a Leica Store, and the EVF rendering while shooting in magnified view was shaky and not very sharp.  I didn’t have enough time to verify all settings, but I do recall we had it set to MF with joystick AF, manually rotating the zoom’s focus ring to magnify (don’t know the magnification level, but seemed high).  

The diopter ring, as some noted, also required an unusual setting based on my experience, but at least it got me where I needed to be for best viewing.

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27 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

 

The diopter ring, as some noted, also required an unusual setting based on my experience, but at least it got me where I needed to be for best viewing.

Jeff

Jeff, I found this which explains the offset.

 

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1 hour ago, Jeff S said:

I briefly handled the SL2 yesterday at a Leica Store, and the EVF rendering while shooting in magnified view was shaky and not very sharp.  I didn’t have enough time to verify all settings, but I do recall we had it set to MF with joystick AF, manually rotating the zoom’s focus ring to magnify (don’t know the magnification level, but seemed high).  

I'm still not entirely convinced we aren't expecting miracles here. Holding anything at almost 10x linear magnification steady can be a bit of a challenge.

Also at this magnification you are mapping 800 or so sensor pixels onto an EVF screen with a resolution of 1600 ..... so it's a bit like viewing images at 2:1 on your computer screen. 4x magnification gets you 1:1 ..... and surprise, surprise, on my S1R this is crisp and clear. 6x looks good and is all you need as far as I can see, even with the razor thin DOF of a noctilux.  I'd like someone to explain the benefits of higher magnification than this as I can see none...... as you are magnifying the image FROM THE SENSOR .... and not an image where resolution is dictated by the optics in the light pathway. 

I have changed the magnification mode on my S1R ...... and at 20x magnification the EVF image is exactly what I'd expect ...... crappy ..... but what else would you expect as it's analogous to viewing an image at 4:1 in LR. Peaking however is very well implemented on the S1R ..... and if it comes close to that on the SL2 then I for one will not be bothered by a less than perfect image on the EVF at high magnification. 

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I am very interested in this topic. I preordered the SL2 with plans to adapt my M lenses. Trying to read through the thread to see if there is a problem or hearsay, or maybe some experience the problem and some do not. From what I gather some see the same magnification issue  on the S1/r too? DPR complained of a SL2 EVF issue on their SL2 preproduction review too ( not sure if its the same issue).

FWIW, I don't have these issues when adapting and magnifying M lenses on the Sony A7rIV and I think I've read some believe they are all probably using the same EVF mechanism.

 

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vor 2 Minuten schrieb LBJ2:

I am very interested in this topic. I preordered the SL2 with plans to adapt my M lenses. Trying to read through the thread to see if there is a problem or hearsay, or maybe some experience the problem and some do not. From what I gather some see the same magnification issue  on the S1/r too? DPR complained of a SL2 EVF issue on their SL2 preproduction review too ( not sure if its the same issue). 

I’ve used M lenses on the α7R III, the Z7, and the SL2 and I can focus them best with the SL2.  When magnified at 10x, the α7R III and Z7 EVFs are a bit shaky. 

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4 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

I’ve used M lenses on the α7R III, the Z7, and the SL2 and I can focus them best with the SL2.  When magnified at 10x, the α7R III and Z7 EVFs are a bit shaky. 

Good to know. I just checked and the A7r4 is up to x5.9: Full Frame Focus Mag.  SL2 goes to x10 ? 

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17 hours ago, Mr.Q said:

I trust Gordon over anyone else on this board. To me his confirmation is enough to conclude that the SL2 finder isn't as sharp as the low-res finders under magnification.

I have deteriorating eyesight (reason I left rangefinders) and I shoot with fast M glass, so this is the final nail in the coffin. I'm staying with the original SL.

While I thank you for your vote of confidence, I really think you need to rely on your own experience and not the one of some fat Australian guy. :)

My eyesight is also slowly deteriorating and I have no issues focusing manually on the SL2. I honestly don't think I'd ever really NEED the highest magnification. We should also remember that it looks to be more than 100% magnification and it's much higher than what you can do during playback.

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16 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

Gordon,

I was pleasantly surprised that using the SL2 magnification display to check the pics I took revealed much more details where in the past with SL, I could not determine focus well till I downloaded pics into my Macbook due to the lower resolution finder that showed grainy display.

This is also true. The highest PLAYBACK magnification of the SL2 is sharp and it wasn't on the SL.

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2 hours ago, thighslapper said:

I'm still not entirely convinced we aren't expecting miracles here. Holding anything at almost 10x linear magnification steady can be a bit of a challenge.

Also at this magnification you are mapping 800 or so sensor pixels onto an EVF screen with a resolution of 1600 ..... so it's a bit like viewing images at 2:1 on your computer screen. 4x magnification gets you 1:1 ..... and surprise, surprise, on my S1R this is crisp and clear. 6x looks good and is all you need as far as I can see, even with the razor thin DOF of a noctilux.  I'd like someone to explain the benefits of higher magnification than this as I can see none...... as you are magnifying the image FROM THE SENSOR .... and not an image where resolution is dictated by the optics in the light pathway. 

I have changed the magnification mode on my S1R ...... and at 20x magnification the EVF image is exactly what I'd expect ...... crappy ..... but what else would you expect as it's analogous to viewing an image at 4:1 in LR. Peaking however is very well implemented on the S1R ..... and if it comes close to that on the SL2 then I for one will not be bothered by a less than perfect image on the EVF at high magnification. 

I didn’t have expectations, nor did I rule out setting issues.  As I wrote, this was a brief encounter, without proper time to review, let alone optimize settings.  Not a deal breaker for me in any case.  

The biggest surprise for me really had little to do with the EVF... it seemed workable and even maybe a bit more ‘natural’ for me compared to the SL. Rather, I was looking to revisit my year ago encounter with the 24-90 zoom.  The combo with the SL2 seemed bigger and heavier than I recalled.  Just my memory playing tricks, but made me question my thinking that this would be a versatile and easy to embrace first lens.  I liked the size and balance with the Summicrons much more; not surprisingly, but not nearly the expected disparity. That has me rethinking my needs and system choices.  I think the next step will be to rent the X1Dii to once and for all rule in or out. I loved the ergonomics of the X1D I demoed. Too bad the XCD zoom isn’t yet available to compare.

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10 hours ago, profus said:


Is this also true comparing to Leica SL?

Good Question.

The SL2 is capable of much more magnification than the SL for manual focus assist. Two full steps more magnification. At the same magnification they look similar. But you can zoom in more on the SL2. The next step is still pretty good the last one is not as good but still usable. So the SL2 is better than the SL.

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