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Much appreciated, Printmaker.  As we are going to Kruger, it looks like we'll certainly get some close ups and will pack accordingly.  I will ask about an early morning trek for sure.  Sounds terrific. (By the way, wonderful photo gallery from Kruger!)

Regards, Rob

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2 minutes ago, ropo54 said:

Much appreciated, Printmaker.  As we are going to Kruger, it looks like we'll certainly get some close ups and will pack accordingly.  I will ask about an early morning trek for sure.  Sounds terrific.

Regards, Rob

You'll love it. We've already planning our next trip. We did the hike from Mopani Rest Camp. Mopani also has a blind you can rent for the night. Crocs and hippos at your window, eagles in the trees, antelope coming down for a drink... it's worth a buggy night.

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3 minutes ago, Printmaker said:

You'll love it. We've already planning our next trip. We did the hike from Mopani Rest Camp. Mopani also has a blind you can rent for the night. Crocs and hippos at your window, eagles in the trees, antelope coming down for a drink... it's worth a buggy night.

Our group will consist of 14 couples, so not sure what the flexibility of options may be, but you've got me psyched for it!  (Wish it were sooner).

Rob

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That's why I'm a loner. Just my wife, a backpack, a map, and our cameras. Sure, we make some mistakes, but people are always helpful to two lost old timers who smile a lot.

BTW: The people you will meet in South Africa are incredibly nice. They are only surpassed by the Kiwis and even then only by a hair.

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1 hour ago, Printmaker said:

You'll love it. We've already planning our next trip. We did the hike from Mopani Rest Camp. Mopani also has a blind you can rent for the night. Crocs and hippos at your window, eagles in the trees, antelope coming down for a drink... it's worth a buggy night.

Sorry for the off-topic but, as a "side question", that "buggy night" thing really brought to my mind the malaria risk in Kruger: weren't you concerned and just trusting the prophylactics? Tks 😲

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We took the pills... Maleron (sp?). And we took lots of B vitamins in order to taste bad. No problem. Only had a few bites. But September till mid October is driest period of the dry season. The rains were scheduled for October 10th but didn't arrive. We left Africa on October 22 and the rain still had not come. In fact, we drove 30k through a dust storm because the fields were plowed and the rains were late. No visibility, 70k+ wind, lightning... White knuckle time. The lions were a piece of cake, it's the climate change that will get you.

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2 minutes ago, Rockcrusher said:

A friend was on a Safari last year with a big 600mm f4 Canon telephoto lens. The Problem was the Safari caravan was so close to the animals it was very hard to shot because the lens was simply to long.

So true. My wife's 40-150 (80 to 300 eqv.) was perfect most of the time. I got my best shots with an old 135 Elmar. But every now and then a 600 (or 300 on an Olympus) would have been nice. But where do you draw the line? It is not easy to change lenses with a big cat 3 or 4 meters away or an elephant looking you in the eye. However, Kruger is rich in wildlife and we had the road to ourselves most of the time. Often it became "that one is on your side of the road, it's yours, dear" or "... not another giraffe. I already shot a dozen this morning."

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10 hours ago, Rockcrusher said:

A friend was on a Safari last year with a big 600mm f4 Canon telephoto lens. The Problem was the Safari caravan was so close to the animals it was very hard to shot because the lens was simply to long.

When I've attended a Safari workshop with a well known WL photographer he was using only 400/2.8 lens single setup. We came across to a leopard, very close and his lens was way too long. He quickly switched his camera to a vertical and did a very quick multiple shot (I presume he has experienced with these scenarios). That afternoon he has showed us his stitched images, was perfect, really large file (was using d810) impressive details etc. Sigma has a beautiful lens 150-300/2.8 for that reason I believe.

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For me Teleconverters are no solution, you will lose Image Quality and the f stop is down to 5.6 on a 2x TC. And if the Lens with TC is to long, its very annoying to take the TC out in a dusty environment. I think the 280mm on the Leica is more then enough. You can also get the new SL2 and Crop it out when you are at home.

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A safari I participated (as a tourist) some years ago in a private reserve in SA, carrying just one body with a wide-to-normal and a tele-zoom available, frustrated me so much not by dust entering the camera (which I could fix in post), but for lost picture opportunities when changing lenses: the animals, used to human (truck...) presence, simply come from the distance to a few yards from you in a matter of minutes!!! I envied a couple in my truck so comfortable with its superzoom (28-300)...

For first-timers like I was, the excitement and amazement made me concentrate on composition and shutter speed only: I had not time to fiddle with other (so important) adjustments. So it was Shutter priority, drive in continuous slow, Autofocus, AutoISO and shutter speed no less than 1/250...

I tried some "blurred background" pics, but fact is that the pictures I liked most were the ones with everything in focus. And the wildflowers in spring in SA are so beautiful that I would never consider not including them in the picture, so I didn't feel the need for anything above 300mm in a private reserve over there.

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Yes, the private reserves in South Africa do specialize in close-up viewing with well-habituated animals. The advantage is that you are practically guaranteed the sightings.

National Parks and reserves, especially the lesser-frequented ones, are far more wild and require more bushcraft and longer lenses.

You are right that a zoom lens is preferable to a fixed focal length as changing the position for framing is nearly impossible. Either that or use two bodies.

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13 hours ago, meerec said:

Nice shots in your gallery, those of the giraffes and the others too, liked the b&w—friends or pro models?

Pros. Took them in a small workshop with Ralph Gibson. I cropped to square as a challenge posed by Ralph. I used a Leica Monochrom with 50 Summicron.

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6 hours ago, ropo54 said:

Our trip is rescheduled: September 2022.

(Hopefully no covid issues).

When we have a special holiday booked, I love the excitement, planning and anticipation in the run up to it, Covid has given you a lot of that Rob😃

Hoping this Pandemic is in true control by next September and you can then really enjoy it.

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2 hours ago, Boojay said:

When we have a special holiday booked, I love the excitement, planning and anticipation in the run up to it, Covid has given you a lot of that Rob😃

Hoping this Pandemic is in true control by next September and you can then really enjoy it.

Thanks, Jayne. So looking forward to it. And, hopefully we can rekindle a trip to NYC at some point in the interim, with a bunch of Leica forum members.  You're always welcome to join us. 

Hope all is well on your end. Rob

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