SL PRICING

[budjames]

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6 hours ago, dawgtired said:

Hi everyone. I’m thinking about getting an SL and was curious if y’all think I should wait. Not necessarily to see what Leica brings to the table with the SL2, but more about a possible significant price drop after the announcement. 

Buy a clean used one, see if you really like it, then trade in on the SL2 when it comes out.

That's what I did.

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

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[thighslapper]

13 hours ago, jaapv said:

But is it better? I still find it hard to beat some of the images I took with the DMR - 15 year old technology...

well we all have stories like that ...... but it does miss the point of why upgrading a camera is almost always worthwhile..... it's just the cost/benefit equation that is the issue.

is reducing the possibility of sub-optimal images due to poor focus, camera shake, inadequate DR, limited ISO performance, limited resolution, and correction of residual aberrations etc. etc. not worthwhile ? 

anything that increases your % of 'keepers' is welcome, no matter how 'good' a photographer you are.  

of course there will be old school curmudgeons out there who will insist that 'proper photographic technique' is all that is required.

presumably these diehards also drive cars without ABS brakes, power steering and still use a starting handle to get going ..... 

Edited September 21, 2019 by thighslapper

[jaapv]

Actually, I do A TR4         (no starting handle, though ) And an up-to-date PHEV

[LocalHero1953]

I have been thinking about high ISO / low light performance recently. I do quite a lot of low light photography, but I rarely need a camera that is more sensitive than my own eyes i.e. I don't want to turn dark scenes into broad daylight. So I don't think I need to work at higher ISO than around 6400 or 12800 at a pinch, and often I'm working at 3200. I would rather have better performance (better colour, wider DR and low noise) at 3200 than the ability to work at 12800 and above.

Edited September 21, 2019 by LocalHero1953

[budjames]

Leica has cured my GAS because the stuff is so darn expensive.

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

[panoreserve]

I'll keep my SL (already sold my second SL a year ago) AND purchase the SL2, probably next year. The SL is just too good to sell it at a poor price - so it will stay as a excellent back-up-solution...

Regarding my SL2's personal wishlist my two most important demands are a) IBIS and b) an even more reliable AF (not only AF-c, but also in AF-s-mode, esp. in poor ligthing).

[michali]

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On 9/20/2019 at 11:39 PM, LocalHero1953 said:

I have shot Latin dance with the 24-90 and, especially, the 90-280, using focus tracking and AFs. Works well enough for me, though I'm happy to take the word of others that Nikon does it better. As with nature photography and sports, knowing how your subjects will behaviour and move is key to getting good shots: in dance the ability to count to 8 is vital - for working out when a posé might be held ("......... and 5, 6, 7 and 8" ).

Fully agree. It's the same situation with wildlife photography. Understanding an animal's behaviour and anticipating its next move, combined with a simpler camera user interface has always worked for me. I've recently  gone back to using my SL after 4 months with the S1R (which I just sold) and couldn't be happier with the SL's simpler set up.

The one thing that drove me completely nuts with the S1R was the various AF modes, their implementation and erratic behaviour. I had far too many mis-focussed shots for my liking and ended up using only the single point focus mode. Make no mistake the S1R is a great camera, producing wonderful images, but it's not for me.

I accept that technology's moved on from 4 years ago, however, more features - many of which are superfluous- and more buttons don't necessarily make for a better user experience or better results. The SL is not a lesser camera than it was 4 years ago, irrespective of what feature-laden and higher MP cameras Sony, Panasonic etc.  have produced.

I also think that if at some point one decides to move to an SL2, you'll get better value from trading or selling an SL, than say a Lumix which has already seen a retail price drop of $700- for the S1R last month

Bottom line it's all highly subjective, each to his /her own.

 

[jaapv]

Actually, Mike, I think it is our Monkey DNA that makes us reach for the shiny new fruit on the tree with the last one only half-eaten. Greed vs. savouring

[colonel]

The SL price had already absorbed the SL2

The SL2 will be more then the original SL, so prices of the SL may jump

 

[dawgtired]

34 minutes ago, colonel said:

The SL price had already absorbed the SL2

The SL2 will be more then the original SL, so prices of the SL may jump

 

If you wouldn’t mind expounding on your first line. I’m not sure what you meant there. THANKS!

[ron777]

I'd sold my SL to Leica Miami in April 2019, and the best they'd been willing to offer was $2960.00, which I'd accepted.  I wouldn't count on the SL appreciating beyond the $3,000. price point, but that's just one man's opinion.  Not all Leica's maintain value, to wit,  I have a mint condition M8 that neither Leica Miami nor anyone else seems to be interested in, at any price.

Edited September 22, 2019 by ron777

[frame-it]

18 hours ago, colonel said:

The SL price had already absorbed the SL2

The SL2 will be more then the original SL, so prices of the SL may jump

 

if the SL2 price is more than the X1dmk2 that would be Hilarious

[satijntje]

Prior to the release in Europe, the new Hasselblad X1DMark2 including the XCD 45mm lens are now offered in Europe for 6490 Euro! (lowest price I have seen).
This includes 21% VAT (in the Netherlands).

So Leica might have to price their SL2 very sharp , otherwise.......

 

Just my 2 ct 🙂

 

John

 

[Mr.Q]

The Panasonic S1 and S1R are priced at 2,498 and 3,698, respectively.
The upcoming Sony A7R IV and A9 are priced at 3,498 and 3,998, respectively.
I would say 4,995 is a fair price but we're probably looking at the same price as the original (5,995)

Even Hasselblad looked at the GFX 50S (5,499) and decided to competitively price their X1D II at 5,750.
It will be a shame if Leica goes overboard with the Leica tax.

[nicci78]

You can get in France a new SL at 3200€ inc. VAT at MacMahon Photo at Paris.

 

Promotion in France until the end of septembre : X1D II-50C + XCD 45mm kit at 7,788 € incl. VAT

SL2 should be priced at 5,900€ inc. VAT max

 

 

Edited September 23, 2019 by nicci78

[bherman01545]

Based on past experience (I've owned the SL twice) and still have one, it was and is still a fantastic camera. The SL2 will not make anybody a better photographer, will likely create huge files, and unless you are making poster-sized prints or plan to do a lot of cropping, it is probably overkill. The SL2 also might not make the dealers shelves until early-mid 2020.

If you need a camera now, the prices on SLs are very good.  Pick-up a good, clean used copy for around $3-$3.5k and put your money into lenses. Once the SL2 comes out, you can always trade it in or sell it.

-Brad

[tom0511]

While I certainly do NOT have too much money, I still do not like if the whole development and decisions for producst will be driven mainly by prices/cost.

We (nearly) all have to do this in our jobs...reduce cost, look at cost, value, ROI....

Therefore- for me it feels good if I do not have to do this for my hobby- photography. I can decide to spend 30% more money for 2 % more IQ, as I could decide the opposite. It feels free. And I enjoy if there are companies who try to develop excellent products, where quality is maybe the first factor and cost the second.

[m9photo]

S1R currently sold with $700 direct rebate, end price would be $3000.

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[Chuck Albertson]

If you're still on the fence about buying a SL (as opposed to waiting for the mythical SL2), here's another factor to plug in: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49906815 When I looked at the US proposed tariff filing a few months ago, it included photographic equipment at a duty of up to 100% (though I doubt they would set it so high).

[Michael Geschlecht]

On 9/22/2019 at 2:51 AM, jaapv said:

Actually, Mike, I think it is our Monkey DNA that makes us reach for the shiny new fruit on the tree with the last one only half-eaten. Greed vs. savouring

Hello, Jaap,

If we can use chimpanzee DNA instead of monkey DNA we find that: The time when chimpanzees do silly things like you have written about above: Is when there is an OVER abundance of whatever it is (ie: Bananas) that is right in front of them.

When bananas are available in reasonable amounts chimpanzees are usually reasonably reasonable in their utilization of them.

Best Regards,

Michael