LocalHero1953 Posted September 10, 2019 Share #21 Posted September 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Despite my previous comments, I also prefer the SL unlabelled buttons. I would still rather have consistent interfaces across the different systems (not the TL2 though ), though I wish they'd standardised on the SL's (the CL needs another button anyway, or a joystick). 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted September 10, 2019 Share #22 Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Despite my previous comments, I also prefer the SL unlabelled buttons. I would still rather have consistent interfaces across the different systems (not the TL2 though ), though I wish they'd standardised on the SL's (the CL needs another button anyway, or a joystick). Consistency is the key. It's just bad design and planning to keep changing things for every new body. Canon use pretty much the same layout on all DSLR's for example so you can pick up any model and be instantly familiar with the controls. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 10, 2019 Share #23 Posted September 10, 2019 SL was consistent with S cameras. But I guess, that they expect more M10, CL or Q2 buyers to get the SL2 than S owners. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 10, 2019 Share #24 Posted September 10, 2019 My vote would be also for the 4 buttons but I think I could adapt to both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 10, 2019 Share #25 Posted September 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, tom0511 said: My vote would be also for the 4 buttons but I think I could adapt to both. May the Force be with you 😋 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 10, 2019 Share #26 Posted September 10, 2019 Does the future SL2 a massive redesigned of Lumix S1R. Some strange design coincidences tick me : Same 47MP Same style EVF bump, Same horseshoe around the lens mount. Same way top case intersects with the body belt and the horseshoe. The left side hinge of SL2 is weird. May be the lack of tilting screen ? Same EVF cup. Same screen size : 3.2" External lugs Is it Minolta XE and Leica R3 once again ? One is made in Japan and the latter in Germany with different materials and a tweaked design. But this time, SL2 and S1R are sharing the same lens mount. Does it means that SL2 will get Panasonic IBIS tech ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/301287-vader-certainly-isnt-any-prettier/?do=findComment&comment=3817263'>More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share #27 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Once I got the hang of both programming and using the four buttons, I found them marvelously intuitive. It took a while also to understand how I could access -- and also, screw up -- both the LCD display and what I saw through the EVF. All in, though, the SL 1 was/is a marvelously designed camera. My bet is that we aren't giving up anything with the SL2 -- programmable buttons, just not the same four + joystick etc. What will be a loss is a bit of the S/SL distinctiveness (though of course they weren't alone in the configurable button category -- just alone in the minimalist UI.) What will be gained, for many, is consistency with the Q and CL family. But as an M/SL user, I'm already regretting the loss of the four buttons. Though I suppose it is ultimately just a matter of rewiring my brain + muscle memory, in accordance with the rewired configurable buttons. My instinct is that there will be many delight associated with a new, slightly smaller SL that cannot be determined by simply looking at the changed form factor. Edited September 10, 2019 by johnbuckley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #28 Posted September 10, 2019 Love that one needs to go to the menu to change ISO. 🤣 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted September 10, 2019 Share #29 Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Love that one needs to go to the menu to change ISO. 🤣 I noticed two toggle style unmarked buttons at the front of the camera (below the red dot logo) which is not seen on other Leica models, could this two buttons be “customise” buttons replacing the 4 buttons found on S & SL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share #30 Posted September 10, 2019 I'd bet money that these are customizable buttons -- and that, just as with the current SL -- one can program various buttons to quickly change ISO without going into a menu. Same net result and functionality, but a change from the minimalist programmable buttons. Which is regrettable, but if I'm right, not a dealbreaker, for me at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted September 10, 2019 Share #31 Posted September 10, 2019 Not all buttons are created equal. The buttons on the front are harder to access. Long pressing those while turning the rear dial would require crafty finger gymnastics. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #32 Posted September 10, 2019 Exactly, but maybe it’s just a prototype. 😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m9photo Posted September 10, 2019 Share #33 Posted September 10, 2019 Hassy X1DC II is now offering $900 off if you buy with 45mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted September 10, 2019 Share #34 Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, johnbuckley said: I'd bet money that these are customizable buttons -- and that, just as with the current SL -- one can program various buttons to quickly change ISO without going into a menu. Same net result and functionality, but a change from the minimalist programmable buttons. Which is regrettable, but if I'm right, not a dealbreaker, for me at least. Will not be easy to use the two front buttons with gloves/frozen fingers... For those shooting at sub-zero (Centigrade) temperatures, that is. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted September 10, 2019 Share #35 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, nicci78 said: Does the future SL2 a massive redesigned of Lumix S1R. Some strange design coincidences tick me : Same 47MP Same style EVF bump, Same horseshoe around the lens mount. Same way top case intersects with the body belt and the horseshoe. The left side hinge of SL2 is weird. May be the lack of tilting screen ? Same EVF cup. Same screen size : 3.2" External lugs Is it Minolta XE and Leica R3 once again ? One is made in Japan and the latter in Germany with different materials and a tweaked design. But this time, SL2 and S1R are sharing the same lens mount. Does it means that SL2 will get Panasonic IBIS tech ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! My thoughts exactly when I saw the "leaked images". I was wondering, is this a rebranded Lumix S1R? Maybe with a different sensor? It wouldn't make sense for Leica to "re-invent the wheel" (in what is already proving to be a crowded market), when they could piggyback on the Panasonic Lumix.... Remember the Leica Digilux 2 (I still have mine) & the Lumix DMC-LC1? Two identical cameras, one Leica and one Panasonic which was $300- cheaper than the Leica version. LeicDigilux 2 Edited September 10, 2019 by michali Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankojanko Posted September 10, 2019 Share #36 Posted September 10, 2019 Based on the images it looks like the body is smaller then the old one. I wonder how that impacts the little screen on the top.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 10, 2019 Share #37 Posted September 10, 2019 The difference between the S1 and the SL is approx 200g big difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #38 Posted September 10, 2019 There is no way I'm getting this. I'm left-handed and use my left eye. I'll be poking myself in the right eye whenever I try to use the joystick. 😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted September 10, 2019 Share #39 Posted September 10, 2019 I hope it is not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 10, 2019 Share #40 Posted September 10, 2019 It’s true, except for the joystick. It’s a dummy to make Panasonic nervous. One can’t reach it anyway, unless one has a really long thumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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