rumors SL2 with 36MP sensor only

[BernardC]

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It seems to be pretty obvious that people would like to see two new cameras: a successor to the current SL, and a "full frame CL," or "interchangeable lens Q2."

As Tailwagger pointed out, a smaller camera would not have made sense earlier, given the size of the launch optics.

Things are different now with the Summicron-SL lenses. Maybe Leica will offer a smaller/lighter camera. I just hope that such a camera does not take the SL's place in the lineup. I love the SL for its great grip (which still feels comfortable and secure after 8 hours of continuous shooting), its amazing viewfinder, and its solid construction. I can see the appeal of a smaller "walking around" camera, but not if it means losing the SL.

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[nicci78]

I always thought that SL’s got the worst grip in the industry. Action Man/Playmobil/Lego hands designed for. 

We are human after all. Not plastic toys 

 

I really hope for a mini S design. S cameras have awesome grip. Very comfortable  

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by nicci78

[bags27]

3 hours ago, Chaemono said:

 Could be. Just for clarification, ‘skinny fat’ means slim but flabby. 😁

wouldn't that be slabby? 🙂

[NicholasT]

36 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

I always thought that SL’s got the worst grip in the industry. Action Man/Playmobil/Lego hands designed for. 

We are human after all. Not plastic toys 

 

I really hope for a mini S design. S cameras have awesome grip. Very comfortable  

 

+1 Also been hoping for mini S design & grip!

Aesthetically pleasing. Great ergonomics with comfortable placement for forefinger and a subtle but effective built in thumb grip...sweet.

[Chaemono]

vor einer Stunde schrieb bags27:

wouldn't that be slabby? 🙂

Could be, but I couldn’t find any exercises for slabby  😁

https://www.livestrong.com/article/520572-can-a-flabby-stomach-be-toned-up/

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chaemono

[saxo]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb LocalHero1953:

Come on guys, some people like it heavy, some like it light. We're all different shapes, sizes, ages and strengths, and we all have different shooting preferences and subject matter. There's nothing wrong with that. Some of these posts say more about the writer than those they are commenting on.

We should look at the system in total, not only the body.

If you stick to Leica lenses (and thats the whole point of choosing the SL for most of us), you end up with 3,9kg for camera, standard zoom and tele zoom. This compares to 2,2kg for equiv. equipment of Sony 7r IV (ok, the long end with 70-200mm is shorter, but Sony has the option to crop and Leica offers no alternative). As more lenses you add, as greater the difference will sum up!

If you walk all day through a city and have additional equipement like a tripod, I'm pretty sure, most of us will be in favour for the lighter equipment. But the trend goes towards a second camera system . I use a Fuji APSC system, which is 1,3kg light (body, standard-zoom and tele-zoom [lomg end: 300mm equiv.!]), not to mention a lighter tripod etc.

[saxo]

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What I would really like to see is a compatibility of flashshoe to one of the common camera companys like CaNiSo.

So I could choose from a wider spectrum of flash suppliers, in my case I would prefer profoto for its ease of use, its build quality and excellent air-remote system. It's a real pain, that there is no, at least basic, industrial norm like the SCA system was. Every brand has its own system (except hasselblad uses the Nikon system. Why couldn't Leica go this way?)

Edited September 7, 2019 by saxo

[FlashGordonPhotography]

8 hours ago, NicholasT said:

+1 Also been hoping for mini S design & grip!

Aesthetically pleasing. Great ergonomics with comfortable placement for forefinger and a subtle but effective built in thumb grip...sweet.

I must be the one who prefers the SL grip to the S. I find the grip on my S2 and S007 far to shallow for my normal mans hands. It needs to be much deeper. The Sl grip is much deeper and although not ergonomic, I prefer it. I have to grip too hard on the S and it’s painfull during a long shoot. If the SL2 has the S shape with more grip depth than awesome but not the current S grip. 

I doubt it will come close to the X1D though. That’s the best grip on the market. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn from it.

Gordon

[NicholasT]

34 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I must be the one who prefers the SL grip to the S. I find the grip on my S2 and S007 far to shallow for my normal mans hands. It needs to be much deeper. The Sl grip is much deeper and although not ergonomic, I prefer it. I have to grip too hard on the S and it’s painfull during a long shoot. If the SL2 has the S shape with more grip depth than awesome but not the current S grip. 

I doubt it will come close to the X1D though. That’s the best grip on the market. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn from it.

Gordon

Based on your ownership experience I may stand corrected. I've held an S2 but don't own one. From short time handling I believed the ergonomics of the grip "appeared" better. That said I haven't used the S2 for extended period. I have large hands I do like the depth of the current SL grip. My objection on current grip had more to do with it making the more subtle accommodations for the shape of the human hand. 

Long story short, I second your conclusion that S shape with adequate depth would be ideal. I guess we'll all know the answers in a couple of weeks.

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I doubt it will come close to the X1D though. That’s the best grip on the market. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn from it.

Ditto.  I haven’t held the X1Dii, hopefully the same.

Jeff

[hoppyman]

1 hour ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I must be the one who prefers the SL grip to the S. I find the grip on my S2 and S007 far to shallow for my normal mans hands. It needs to be much deeper. The Sl grip is much deeper and although not ergonomic, I prefer it. I have to grip too hard on the S and it’s painfull during a long shoot. If the SL2 has the S shape with more grip depth than awesome but not the current S grip. 

I doubt it will come close to the X1D though. That’s the best grip on the market. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn from it.

Gordon

Interesting Gordon. I know that you have extensive experience with using both systems. I think people’s preferences are influenced by our type of photography and the shooting environment . I use both with the S exclusively on tripod normally in portrait orientation and the SL mainly that way with some handheld shooting in natural light.

I much prefer the S grip and find the SL edges overly sharp. .. for mass and bulk the SL with 24-90 doesn’t feel less to me in either regard. The announced new Summicrons look very appealing to me but still constructed of unobtainium here as far as I can see.

In my daydream the SL2 will be more organic in body form, smaller than the SL but with the same design reliability 

[Mr.Q]

10 hours ago, saxo said:

But the trend goes towards a second camera system . I use a Fuji APSC system, which is 1,3kg light (body, standard-zoom and tele-zoom [lomg end: 300mm equiv.!]), not to mention a lighter tripod etc.

Yeah I gave the SL and 24-90 a second go this weekend, but man, I just couldn't bare the weight. I think I'm going to sell it and beef up my Fuji kit with more zooms. My love/hate story with the SL continues....

[bags27]

Just now, Mr.Q said:

Yeah I gave the SL and 24-90 a second go this weekend, but man, I just couldn't bare the weight. I think I'm going to sell it and beef up my Fuji kit with more zooms. My love/hate story with the SL continues....

I walked into a museum last summer (the Louisiana outside Copenhagen) and bumped into a guy with that very kit. I told him: great camera. He looked at my Q and said, yeah, but yours is a lot lighter. He didn't seem real happy.

[nicci78]

Weight is the enemy my friend. 

I might be interested in SL2. But only to mount M or APO-Summicron-SL lenses. 

The other 4 behemoths are out of the question. 

By the way Louisiana is one of the most beautiful museum in the world. Good choice. 

Edited September 8, 2019 by nicci78

[nicci78]

8 hours ago, Jeff S said:

Ditto.  I haven’t held the X1Dii, hopefully the same.

Jeff

Same grip as before.

@FlashGordonPhotography is right : X1D has the best grip in the world. Making small 33x44 medium format easy to handle. 

 

[saxo]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

I doubt it will come close to the X1D though. That’s the best grip on the market. Hopefully other manufacturers will learn from it.

yeap. I tried it two years ago, the grip is very good. If it would be a bit angular towards the body like the s-grip, more ergonomic, not straight like the sl-grip or the x1d grip, it would be perfect to me even for portrait orientation.

[DirkS]

vor 20 Stunden schrieb Chaemono:

+1. CL + 35 Summilux-TL rules. The CL with a handgrip and a thumb-rest balances beautifully. Let’s see if the tightened and raised contrast curve of the APO 50 SL makes a discernible difference in terms of depth rendering. One is a heavy Pro combo, the other is a compact combo with Pro-like IQ. 

I agree, too. And I think, that less than 1 % can recognize, which pics are made by a CL and which by a SL.

Don`t misunderstand me, I like the SL. But if weight is a issue the CL is the best combination of qualitiy and weight.

[nicci78]

Summilux-TL 35 is really good. Smaller, faster aperture. Glad to have it  

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by nicci78

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[nicci78]

We can see @Chaemono comparison in two ways :

1. Full frame is better. Especially APO-Summicron-SL lenses. But not that much better.

2. APS-C is also excellent. Especially TL lenses. It takes the absolute best full frame lens to beat the Summilux-TL lens. And the margin is very thin. APS-C can mimic the Full frame look. You need to look closely to discern the difference. 

Conclusion : Full frame advantages reside in very fast aperture look, with f/0.95 or f/1.4 (impossible to replicate with APS-C) or in very high resolution 36MP or much more. 

Nonetheless I am impressed by Leica lenses TL or SL. They are excellent performers. 

[Chaemono]

What’s intriguing, of course, is whether Leica will eventually offer a CL style FF body. The 50 Summicron-SL is only around one third bigger than the 35 Summilux-TL. The lens hood is about the same for both. With it the size difference amounts to about 25 percent.