BernardC Posted December 9, 2019 Share #181 Posted December 9, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) That DPR thread is five months old, that's four months before the camera became available. It is based on speculation, and some misunderstandings (for instance, the original poster assumes that cinema lenses are telecentric). The camera is out now, and I didn't see an updated thread. I haven't read any complaints here either, at least not like the complaints about Sony's cameras and M lenses. So it seems that this is a non-issue. The fp is not as bad (with M lenses) as an un-modified Sony full-frame camera, but it's not as good as an M or SL. Some reports here suggest that it is slightly better than Panasonic's L-Mount cameras, but I haven't seen a thorough test yet. Does anybody have any first-hand experience to contribute? What I really want to know is "how does it perform with Super-35 cine lenses?" The SL is great with those. Even problematic lenses like the Distagon 16 T2.2 look sharp from edge to edge in 4K, which isn't the case with many cine-style video cameras. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alan Friedman Posted December 9, 2019 Share #182 Posted December 9, 2019 The infrared sensitivity of CCD sensors has made them beautifully suited for astronomy applications. With the initial high cost of dedicated astronomy cameras (cooled for long exposure integrations) many astro-photographers explored the use of adapted DSLRs, removing the IR blocking filters to allow the full sensitivity of the sensor to the deep red and near IR wavelengths. My astronomy photography has employed industrial strength monochrome streaming cameras to combine the IR sensitivity with the ability to record a lot of frames in a short time span for stacking and averaging. On cloudy days, I have enjoyed pointing these cameras at terrestrial subjects using an IR pass filter. The largest sensor I have is a 6mp but there are now larger sensors with much faster frame rates. Some day I will upgrade. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299161-sigma-fp-%E2%80%93-worlds-smallest-lightest-mirrorless-full-frame-camera/?do=findComment&comment=3870340'>More sharing options...
jankap Posted December 10, 2019 Share #183 Posted December 10, 2019 World's smallest & lightest mirrorless full frame camera?? Mit CCD??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 11, 2019 Share #184 Posted December 11, 2019 The latest update from Lightroom/ACR etc now includes support for the fp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 11, 2019 Share #185 Posted December 11, 2019 17 hours ago, jankap said: World's smallest & lightest mirrorless full frame camera?? Mit CCD??? 1. Yes 2. No - CMOS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted December 11, 2019 Share #186 Posted December 11, 2019 The FP has only electronic shutter. Can this be troublesome shooting stills in Urban scenery at night? Can fluorescent tubes in street lanterns or neon advertising produce artefacts or banding? Someone here who tried shots at night in streets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted December 11, 2019 Share #187 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, verwackelt said: The FP has only electronic shutter. Can this be troublesome shooting stills in Urban scenery at night? Can fluorescent tubes in street lanterns or neon advertising produce artefacts or banding? Someone here who tried shots at night in streets? see instagram.. LOADS of night street shots in Japan and other countries https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/sigmafp/ https://www.flickr.com/groups/sigmafp/pool/ https://www.instagram.com/metalmickey_camera/ Edited December 11, 2019 by frame-it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted December 11, 2019 Share #188 Posted December 11, 2019 Thank you! have no instagram account but that flickr link helps… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted December 11, 2019 Share #189 Posted December 11, 2019 vor 7 Stunden schrieb verwackelt: Thank you! have no instagram account but that flickr link helps… A good test picture is not in the flickr link. With the Ricoh GXR M-mount I have used the electronic shutter often. Only once I have found banding, but already with the replay on the LCD. I had a good loupe (Hoodman) on the LCD. That was in a room lighted with fluorescent light tubes only. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted December 12, 2019 Share #190 Posted December 12, 2019 The electronic shutter is not global, it’s a line-by-line readout and, given the flash sync at 1/30 sec, probably not a fast one at that. Rapidly moving subjects likely to be a no-no. Anyone with experience there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 12, 2019 Share #191 Posted December 12, 2019 Well, I wouldn't use it for a golf swing, but the readout speed is similar to Leicas with the electronic shutter, so perfectly usable for normal moving subjects. I've experienced banding with fluorescent lights with the fp. I usually use an electronic shutter indoors for events and concerts where the light is not good, so my normal countermeasure, slow shutter speed, is the direction I'm pushed in anyway, whether I'm using mechanical or electronic shutter. It's not just electronic shutters that have problems here: shots with a fast mechanical shutter can get erratic colour/illumination from fluorescent and some other lighting systems as well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 12, 2019 Share #192 Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, mdemeyer said: The electronic shutter is not global, it’s a line-by-line readout and, given the flash sync at 1/30 sec, probably not a fast one at that. Rapidly moving subjects likely to be a no-no. Anyone with experience there? Some discussion about the use of the electronic shutter is found in the thread linked below. And as stated by @LocalHero1953, ES is good for many/most situations, but certainly not for "a golf swing", at least not if you are after predictable results... (cfr the bee-photo in the thread below). Edited December 12, 2019 by helged 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Friedman Posted December 13, 2019 Share #193 Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 3:23 AM, LocalHero1953 said: ...I've experienced banding with fluorescent lights with the fp... Same here... experienced banding under fluorescent lighting when fast shutter speeds are used. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted December 27, 2019 Share #194 Posted December 27, 2019 Does somebody think of the RP? Also very small, not heavy and with EVF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 27, 2019 Share #195 Posted December 27, 2019 "Very small" is relative! And weak video, according to reviews. I got the fp for its two main selling points: size and video. Of course if those aren't important to you, then there are plenty of other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2019 Share #196 Posted December 27, 2019 vor 4 Stunden schrieb jankap: Does somebody think of the RP? Also very small, not heavy and with EVF. Hi Jan, What is the RP? Best, Simon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 27, 2019 Share #197 Posted December 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, tri said: Hi Jan, What is the RP? Best, Simon Canon EOS RP, see the @LocalHero1953's post #195. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2019 Share #198 Posted December 28, 2019 Buyers‘ power will hopefully convince manufacturers to offer more and more compact cameras and lenses. What‘s the point of mirrorless in DSLR size? Ever since I follow this forum there were countless posts about „leaving the huge Canicon bag at home in favor of Leica... ending up selling the non-Leica gear“. Maybe folks in Wetzlar don‘t forget this. Www.camerasize.com is your vertebral column‘s friend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted December 28, 2019 Share #199 Posted December 28, 2019 vor 14 Stunden schrieb helged: Canon EOS RP, see the @LocalHero1953's post #195. Thanks. I didn´t want to use the C.... word in this forum. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 1, 2020 Share #200 Posted January 1, 2020 Am 27.12.2019 um 17:09 schrieb jankap: Does somebody think of the RP? Also very small, not heavy and with EVF. It also has a stacking mode. AF can offer unexpected features. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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