Mark T Posted July 16, 2019 Share #41 Posted July 16, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 7/14/2019 at 1:18 AM, adan said: Always remember that APO simply means the lens focuses 3 colors of light in the same plane - nothing more. It is APOchromatic, and will have very low longitudinal chromatic aberrations or color fringing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apochromat It does not mean the lens is magically "better" in any other sense. Although usually if a lens-maker goes to the trouble and expense of getting APO performance, they put extra effort into correcting the lens in other ways as well. But as mentionend, the 50 Summilux is virtually apochromatic in performance - Leica just (at the time) didn't think it worth mentioning for a 50mm lens - LCA is more of a problem with longer focal lengths. They changed their (marketing) mind with the Summicron APO. For good reason too, given the number of hungry purchasers waiting for the next 35mm APO Summicron. Marketing trumps again! Thanks for putting this out there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cronilux Posted July 16, 2019 Share #42 Posted July 16, 2019 vor 19 Stunden schrieb jaeger: It's really about personal taste... I shoot mostly people but not landscape. I have many occasions shooing in dim, public or enclose environment. In less than 6 feet, when I can keep a very comfortable distant between my subject, both 28 and 35 can't cover enough. In the other hand, the 24 is a story teller at the same situation, it also gives me dramatic look of the person and background. I probably don't need 21 when 24 is enough. I don't hate 35 nor 28 as they are both very nice but in different settings, the 24 is just right for me paring with my 50mm lux. P.S. I hardly use this lens for a portraits farther than 10-15 feet away. I need to learn and some inspirations using wide-angel for landscape, it's not cutting it in my work. In addition, it's technically focus free when step down to 5.6. See attached image, everything between 1.5 meter to infinity are in focus when 3 meter is at optimal. I have lot of fun doing street photography with it. 😀 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I don't speak for everyone, but I don't understand why people talk bad things about this lens or 24mm focal in general. That’s basically exactly the reason why I shoot with the 24mm. I was just asking, cause I am eyeing the 28mm Summilux, but it’s probably just GAS. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 16, 2019 Share #43 Posted July 16, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 7:18 PM, adan said: But as mentionend, the 50 Summilux is virtually apochromatic in performance - Leica just (at the time) didn't think it worth mentioning for a 50mm lens - LCA is more of a problem with longer focal lengths. They changed their (marketing) mind with the Summicron APO. There are rumors of a new APO Summilux-M 50/1.4 ASPH. If they are true, I am very curious about what kind of improvement this lens can offer compared to the old one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 16, 2019 Share #44 Posted July 16, 2019 Probably the fresh and clear Karbe sharpness and contrast which for some is a bit beyond how we perceive reality itself, with or without glasses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 16, 2019 Share #45 Posted July 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, evikne said: There are rumors of a new APO Summilux-M 50/1.4 ASPH. If they are true, I am very curious about what kind of improvement this lens can offer compared to the old one. I bet that Leica will put more aperture blades to void those Ninja Stars closed down a bit 😉 like some years ago on new Summicron-M 35mm asph. In that case, I'd reconsider to buy one ( if GAS is always valid ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted July 16, 2019 Share #46 Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, evikne said: There are rumors of a new APO Summilux-M 50/1.4 ASPH. If they are true, I am very curious about what kind of improvement this lens can offer compared to the old one. ... especially as it would have to justify a price that would presumably be substantially higher than that of the APO Summicron 😰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 16, 2019 Share #47 Posted July 16, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've always dreamt of "the perfect 50mm lens" (worth an own thread), because then it should have been the only lens I owned. But I guess I will always continue to dream. Partly because "technically better" isn't necessarily synonymous with "more attractive". At least not to me. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 16, 2019 Share #48 Posted July 16, 2019 16 hours ago, jaeger said: The lost of value selling my existing summilux is more than buying a Elmar. lol I went and read Mr. Rocks “scathing” review of the 24 Lux, from 2010 mind you, and actually found it to be mostly objective and fair (save for the obvious jokes). I don’t think potential buyers (or whoever his audience is - is there one? Serious question) for the lens would be turned off by his review unless they only shoot landscape and architecture. In that case he is correct that the 24 3.8 smokes the Lux. In general, a true Leica Man/Woman wouldn’t read his site as it’s blasphemy to review or praise anything other than Leica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share #49 Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, dkmoore said: In general, a true Leica Man/Woman wouldn’t read his site as it’s blasphemy to review or praise anything other than Leica. He spent good money on SEO, his stuff always on first page in google search. In his word "Leica man" is an insulting term, that's how I perceive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted July 16, 2019 Share #50 Posted July 16, 2019 I used a 24/1.4 Summilux-M on loan during my recent visit to Wetzlar in May. I own the 24/3.8 Elmar and was curious to see how the Lux would compare. Of course the Lux is much bigger and heavier. Haptic wise, it was curious that the Lux lacked a focus tab. Surprisingly, I really missed it. Performance wise, my Elmar out performs it, is smaller and lots less expensive. My conclusion is I am glad that Leica makes these exotic lenses, but the Lux was not for me! Happy to stay with my 24 Elmar which delivered some stunning images on this trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 17, 2019 Share #51 Posted July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, derleicaman said: I used a 24/1.4 Summilux-M on loan during my recent visit to Wetzlar in May. I own the 24/3.8 Elmar and was curious to see how the Lux would compare. Of course the Lux is much bigger and heavier. Haptic wise, it was curious that the Lux lacked a focus tab. Surprisingly, I really missed it. Performance wise, my Elmar out performs it, is smaller and lots less expensive. My conclusion is I am glad that Leica makes these exotic lenses, but the Lux was not for me! Happy to stay with my 24 Elmar which delivered some stunning images on this trip. You hit on a point that is high on my list of importance that doesn’t seem to be mentioned often. I MUCH prefer Leica lenses with focusing tabs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 17, 2019 Share #52 Posted July 17, 2019 The longer the lens the less I need the focus tab, which is what Leica must have sensed. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 17, 2019 Share #53 Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, otto.f said: The longer the lens the less I need the focus tab, which is what Leica must have sensed. I would love a 35mm without a focus tab! Making lenses with detachable focus tab is a solution that would have made everyone happy. 🙂 Edited July 17, 2019 by evikne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 17, 2019 Share #54 Posted July 17, 2019 With no focus aid, some focus rings would be impossible or very difficult to rotate though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 17, 2019 Share #55 Posted July 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, lct said: With no focus aid, some focus rings would be impossible or very difficult to rotate though. When designing new lenses, Leica could have taken this into account and made the focus rings a little wider. But I am afraid most people want the focus tabs … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdp Posted July 17, 2019 Share #56 Posted July 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, evikne said: I would love a 35mm without a focus tab! Making lenses with detachable focus tab is a solution that would have made everyone happy. 🙂 Same here, I really don't like focus tabs, hence I have some Voigtlander lenses. The Summicron 50 works well without one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 17, 2019 Share #57 Posted July 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, mdp said: Same here, I really don't like focus tabs, hence I have some Voigtlander lenses. Hard to use some CV lenses like 21/4 or 15/4.5 v2 w/o focus tab or another focus aid though. Same about Leica M lenses like 21/2.8, 21/2.8 asph, 21/3.4 asph, 21/4, 24/2.8 asph, 24/3.8, 28/2 v1, 28/2.8 asph v1, 28/5.6, 35/1.4 pre-asph, 35/1.4 FLE, 35/2 v4, 35/2 asph v1, 35/2.5, 35/2.8, 40/2, 50/2 v4, 50/2.5, to name a few . Now it is true that some compact lenses manage to have both a focus aid and a dented focus ring but it may feel confusing at times. YMMV. 18 minutes ago, mdp said: The Summicron 50 works well without one v5 yes but not v4. The latter is more compact though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronilux Posted July 17, 2019 Share #58 Posted July 17, 2019 vor 22 Stunden schrieb derleicaman: I used a 24/1.4 Summilux-M on loan during my recent visit to Wetzlar in May. I own the 24/3.8 Elmar and was curious to see how the Lux would compare. Of course the Lux is much bigger and heavier. Haptic wise, it was curious that the Lux lacked a focus tab. Surprisingly, I really missed it. Performance wise, my Elmar out performs it, is smaller and lots less expensive. My conclusion is I am glad that Leica makes these exotic lenses, but the Lux was not for me! Happy to stay with my 24 Elmar which delivered some stunning images on this trip. How much better is the Elmar at f1.4, than the Lux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted July 17, 2019 Share #59 Posted July 17, 2019 51 minutes ago, Cronilux said: How much better is the Elmar at f1.4, than the Lux? About two stops😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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