boojum Posted February 12, 2021 Share #61 Posted February 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, pippy said: Thank you for taking the trouble to check, boojum; it is much appreciated! Yes; they jump. As far as I can understand it Leica has always allocated serial numbers to various cameras in production as a series of batches so, to take some examples from the list in post #55, there was a batch of M-D 262 cameras which (presumably) started 4 987 500 and another from 4 987 600 so each of these runs had (presumably) 100 examples made. The next known (here) run starts at 4 998 600 so there is a gap of 10,000 camera serial numbers (from 4 987 699 to 4 998 600) which (presumably) were allocated to different Leica camera models such as the M240 / M246 / M262 and so on. The reason your serial is so interesting is that all the rest of the numbers listed are from batches usually only a few thousand apart. There is one break of 15,000 between two particular batches but yours is almost 100,000 earlier than the next known number. Nor has any other M-D 262 from the 48891xx batch ever been mentioned and that is to me, quite frankly, very interesting indeed! Philip. I read numbers better than letters, I guess. The number I have given you is off an M240. Man, I am losing it. Geritol, where's my Geritol? Actually dyslexia, a plague all my days. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Hi boojum, Take a look here M-D (Type 262) production numbers?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pippy Posted February 12, 2021 Share #62 Posted February 12, 2021 Ah! Thank you very much for the update, boojum; that does make a lot more sense I have to admit! I hope you are managing to get out for some photo outings in these strange times! Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojum Posted February 12, 2021 Share #63 Posted February 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, pippy said: Ah! Thank you very much for the update, boojum; that does make a lot more sense I have to admit! I hope you are managing to get out for some photo outings in these strange times! Philip. Living the the rainiest city in the US makes for grim, gray and rainy winters. We do get sunshine on occasion and mostly in the summer. Others claim more rain but they have to beat this: https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/oregon/astoria I do think we are the rainiest. I'll be out for every opportunity. Cheers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 12, 2021 Share #64 Posted February 12, 2021 Crikey! Wet and Cold for most of the year!? That's quite an impressive list of statistics which is shown in the link. Mind you; as a Scotsman I'd probably feel right at home... Don't forget to take the 'brolly if you head out! Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 31, 2021 Share #65 Posted May 31, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 4:19 PM, pippy said: Just a little update. Going through the thread here is the current state of affairs compiled from serial numbrers listed by those members who have listed the first five digits; 49824xx 49826xx 49830xx 49871xx 49875xx 49876xx 49986xx 49987xx 49988xx 51429xx 51501xx 51504xx 51505xx 51537xx Assuming there to be 100 cameras per listed batch we are now at the 1,400 mark for unit production. Philip. 1,400 units (assuming here) would be "Limited Edition" without the following by far higher price. May I think that the sh price would increase ? Not that is important as I don't plan to sell mine anyway, at any price, but I think of to-be-users/buyers ... To repeat myself, as photographic tool, this M-D is at top of my many Leica Ms (film or sensor). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 1, 2021 Share #66 Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, a.noctilux said: ...May I think that the sh price would increase ?......Not that is important as I don't plan to sell mine anyway, at any price,but I think of to-be-users/buyers... It's difficult to say for sure, Arnaud, because the M-D Typ-262 very rarely comes on the s/h market (at least here in the UK). Funnily enough there is one currently available from a London dealership and, just taking it as an example, it is priced roughly 1/3rd higher than the regular M Typ-262 (in similar condition etc.). The latter can readily be found for somewhere in the £2,800 - £3,000 (c. 3,200 - 3,400 Euros) range whereas the one M-D up for grabs is £4,000 (4,600 Euros). Additionally I'd say that the shop with the M-D, in general, prices their stock below that of their main competitors To put the current asking price in context that is quite a bit more than I paid for mine a couple of years ago which, being an ex-shop-demo example was effectively a brand-new mint-in-box camera with a mere 114 clicks to its name. Like you I cannot see any situation which would find me selling the M-D; it's practically the perfect digital-M for my needs and my likes. Philip. Edited June 1, 2021 by pippy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonc Posted June 7, 2021 Share #67 Posted June 7, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Adding some additional M-D 262 SN numbers I am aware of. Unsure of original purchase locations but likely US. 51429xx 4983088 4983004 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted June 8, 2021 Share #68 Posted June 8, 2021 Thanks Photonc, above, Philip's listing , we already have 5 142 xxx and 4 983 xxx so these numbers would not increase the "assuming" 1,400 units. In my thinking, not so bad production number, a bit less than M4-2's 16k of two years production 1978-80. Enough but not too many 😌 ( this means nothing ! ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted June 18, 2021 Share #69 Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) Here is a raw list of full serial numbers from this thread, including 8 new ones I just found on a trawl of fredmiranda: 4982402 4982410 4982416 4982421 4982424 4982426 4983004 4983013 4983017 4983028 4983049 4983080 4983088 4983094 4987111 4987212 4987267 4987528 4987584 4987621 4987650 4987656 4998631 4998695 4998696 4998715 4998754 4998807 5142988 5142998 5143002 5150146 5150177 5150456 5150491 5153760 Edited June 18, 2021 by Datsch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 19, 2021 Share #70 Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Hey everyone. Proudly, mine is 4987675 If you would like to add to any records being kept obviously doesn't give new batches . wow 1400 estimate doesn't seem like a lot at all Edited June 19, 2021 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted June 21, 2021 Share #71 Posted June 21, 2021 So I tracked down a bunch more serial numbers -- from flickr (The serial number appears in EXIF) and some more from photos of sold cameras. This list continues to break down into the 14 batches we have previously identified. There are 75 serial numbers in this list now. There were other mentions of M-Ds I we do not have serial numbers for, or where the EXIF was missing, so I estimate there are about 120 'sightings in the wild' as it were, or about 10% of our presumed total. That means if there are 1400 total, then 90% of those do not post on flickr, or this forum, or have sold in the past year or two. What with the vast non-english speaking population in Asia and so on, I think this is plausible. Anyway, here is the raw list for those that like to see for themselves ... 4982402 4982410 4982416 4982421 4982424 4982426 4982441 4983004 4983009 4983013 4983017 4983028 4983049 4983080 4983088 2016/04/19 4983094 4983099 4987111 4987212 4987230 4987248 4987259 4987267 4987293 4987501 4987513 4987519 4987520 4987528 4987543 4987584 4987597 4987618 2016/05/24 4987621 4987636 4987650 4987656 4987658 4987675 4987676 4987694 4998618 4998631 4998633 4998639 4998685 4998695 4998696 4998715 4998717 2016/05/30 4998738 4998754 4998794 4998795 4998796 4998799 4998807 5142951 5142971 5142988 5142995 5142998 5143002 5143008 5150122 5150146 5150149 5150161 5150177 2018/06/28 5150414 5150422 5150456 5150491 5153753 5153760 I added birthdays / manufacturing dates where I found them ... nice to think of my camera being made one on the first warm days of spring, imbuing it with a sense of possibility and the unfolding of life and beauty ... 🤗 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 22, 2021 Share #72 Posted June 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Datsch said: ...I added birthdays / manufacturing dates where I found them... Interesting list you have managed to compile, Datsch, and thorough work! Out of interest; where did you find the 'birthday' info? I've had a trawl through a few files from my own body and can see nothing more informative than its serial number (the 4th on your list). Philip. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted June 23, 2021 Share #73 Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) On 6/22/2021 at 3:01 PM, pippy said: Interesting list you have managed to compile, Datsch, and thorough work! Out of interest; where did you find the 'birthday' info? I've had a trawl through a few files from my own body and can see nothing more informative than its serial number (the 4th on your list). Philip. Thanks! Rather unnervingly I enjoyed hunting down those numbers -- now I can see where trainspotters get their motivation -- shoot me! The birthdate is on the buff-coloured cardboard outer packaging, you know the one that always rips. It might also be in the owner's manual, one of those slimmer volumes has a sticker on the inside back cover -- that may have the date too but I'm not home to check right now. Some of the German dealers take pictures of the cardboard outer (can't find an m-d now, here is an M-P): Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 23, 2021 by Datsch Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297947-m-d-type-262-production-numbers/?do=findComment&comment=4225029'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 23, 2021 Share #74 Posted June 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, Datsch said: Thanks! Rather unnervingly I enjoyed hunting down those numbers -- now I can see where trainspotters get their motivation -- shoot me! The birthdate is on the buff-coloured cardboard outer packaging, you know the one that always rips. It might also be in the owner's manual, one of those slimmer volumes has a sticker on the inside back cover -- that may have the date too but I'm not home to check right now. Some of the German dealers take pictures of the cardboard outer (can't find an m-d now, here is an M-P): Ah! Thanks! That explains why I couldn't see it anywhere in the EXIF data.... I've just had a look and the date-sticker is featured no fewer than four times on my 'stuff'. Outer card box; main silver / black box; guarantee booklet and finally on the test certificate. All dated 2016/04/22. You could add that date/data for camera body 4982421............ It would be interesting - in a Train Spotter type way - to know what date/s are attached to the three serials which predcede mine. Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted June 23, 2021 Share #75 Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, pippy said: I've just had a look and the date-sticker is featured no fewer than four times on my 'stuff'. Outer card box; main silver / black box; guarantee booklet and finally on the test certificate. All dated 2016/04/22. You could add that date/data for camera body 4982421............ Wow! I wasn't expecting your date to be later than that of a camera with a higher serial number ... 4983088 was born on 2016/04/19 a few days .before. yours ,,, https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1625791/0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Whatever, it looks like the bulk of M-Ds, the 498 and 499s, were born in a 6 week period around late April to May 2016 ... Then I am guessing there was a break in production for two years until the shelves were cleared and all stock sold, and we had the final hurrah of the 514s and 515s. Likewise, it seems that early summer was the trigger for Leica to say -- "the sun's out, let's make some M-Ds !" PS I would add your date to the list but I can't edit that post anymore for some reason ... I will be sure to include it if we get some more numbers and dates to warrant a relisting ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Whatever, it looks like the bulk of M-Ds, the 498 and 499s, were born in a 6 week period around late April to May 2016 ... Then I am guessing there was a break in production for two years until the shelves were cleared and all stock sold, and we had the final hurrah of the 514s and 515s. Likewise, it seems that early summer was the trigger for Leica to say -- "the sun's out, let's make some M-Ds !" PS I would add your date to the list but I can't edit that post anymore for some reason ... I will be sure to include it if we get some more numbers and dates to warrant a relisting ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297947-m-d-type-262-production-numbers/?do=findComment&comment=4225106'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 23, 2021 Share #76 Posted June 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Datsch said: Wow! I wasn't expecting your date to be later than that of a camera with a higher serial number ... 4983088 was born on 2016/04/19 a few days .before. yours... Yes; I noticed that, too. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that the full production run of 49824xx and 49830xx camera bodies were all assembled over a period of time and only when they were all ready for shipment were the stickers attached to the various boxes / guarantee cards / test certificates etc. without any real need to put the final 'units' in date order as regards their serial numbers. Philip. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunner Posted June 27, 2021 Share #77 Posted June 27, 2021 For the completition: 5150172 resides in Switzerland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 30, 2021 Share #78 Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 8:14 PM, Datsch said: ...it looks like the bulk of M-Ds, the 498 and 499s, were born in a 6 week period around late April to May 2016... Just FWIW on the Wiki entry for the M-D Typ-262 they mention that the camera was released on the 28th April 2016 so that would tie-in very nicely with having production / packing dates (as mentioned) and stocks ready just a matter of ten days or so before 'The Day of the Great Unveiling'... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_M-D_(Typ_262) Philip. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 3, 2021 Share #79 Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) New Batch! I was curious about batches that might have gone to Asia and so not be showing up on our radar. I just found this: 5150200 Japan https://www.mapcamera.com/item/3717011361613# This is interesting to me as it is 00 which of course has to exist for batches of 100 (00 to 99). But mostly, this is a new batch -- so that might revise our estimate of total made from 1400 to 1500 ... It is hard trawling Japanese and Chinese websites without knowing the language though -- are there any speakers of those or other Asian languages who could help us by finding serial numbers of Leica M-D's that have come up for sale in shops or on forums? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 3, 2021 by Datsch Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297947-m-d-type-262-production-numbers/?do=findComment&comment=4230898'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 3, 2021 Share #80 Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) Hello everybody, as I'll never sell mine, you can add on the list serial 5150455 of 2016/09/12 https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/262069-i-love-my-m-d-262/?do=findComment&comment=3622269 Edited July 3, 2021 by a.noctilux Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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