aksclix Posted January 26, 2021 Share #201 Posted January 26, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, bags27 said: Of course, Fuji is coming out tomorrow with a $6k 100mp/IBIS GFXS that has a terrific form factor.....(though still with Fuji's often bewildering UI). oh I've been waiting for that!!! Agree with what you said.. if I could afford it I would've gotten the S3. It's on sale at mpb for ~16K maybe I will eventually get an S007 at the very least but not for now.. I really liked the body and honestly I loved the rendering too but like I've been saying, I could not justify keeping it for now.. will reconsider later this year! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Photon42 Posted January 28, 2021 Share #202 Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 1:57 PM, plasticman said: Indeed! I appreciate your efforts though! I don't think anyone should see any of these systems as insufficient these days - that would be absurd. The amount of detail and latitude is incredible in these systems. I've been idly thinking about an X1D (there are a few ex-demos still around) and getting a 45mm ƒ4 to go with it - but really now I'd be more interested in how people feel about using the camera, than the image comparisons. Flickr has some pretty big examples (but still jpeg files) to look at, and a few RAW files have been posted on various review sites. But like I said, at this level of sensor-performance, comparing online jpegs is rather futile. I use an X1D2 since approximately one year, but not exclusively. Got the 3.5/30, 4/45, 2.8/65 and an HC 2.2/100 with adapter. It is a wonderfully small package, and quite a bit lighter than a comparable S setup. I used it on a 10 day trip in France as well as a lot of casual occasions here in Switzerland. On the France trip, I took along a Fuji X100 for backup and for these moments, I wanted to go very light. Haptics are wonderful. No issues with autofocus, but I know its limitations. Especially with the 30 I have to be careful with the AF square, as the the square is quite large and tends to add different things at different distances. If you need more information, let me know. We could also have a chat on Facetime or equivalent sometime. Battery life is fine. I have so far not ever exchanged a battery intra-day, but got two additional ones, probably due to online FUD 😳 Cheers Ivo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 28, 2021 Share #203 Posted January 28, 2021 Thanks Ivo, that's great and very generous to offer your time! I have my eye on one particular camera from an online store right now, but I'm hesitating to pull the trigger simply because of the cost - trivial to many here, but a lot for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 28, 2021 Share #204 Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 7:58 PM, aksclix said: I don’t have any images of comparison.. it’s why I came here and raised that point in the first place.. I am fairly new to Leica systems.. never shot M, temporarily tried the S system for a couple of weeks.. my first experience with MF was with the 645z 4 years ago and then I moved to GFX entirely about 1.5 years ago.. I am very satisfied with the IQ GFX offers.. but when I noticed Vieri say gfx is a toy for rich amateurs or something to that effect, I was obviously looking for reasons and justification for that remark.. in a Leica forum it’s obvious there will be a fair amount of bias towards the system which is fine.. so, it’s just easier to see your point of view with sample images.. I am happy to share some GFX images though.. never did so because this is a Leica forum I don't think I ever said that, since that wasn't my evaluation of that camera. I always thought it was a camera without a clear purpose, when it came to what it is designed to shoot. I.e., the new 100S makes a lot more sense to me, as far as it's possible uses. Best regards, Vieri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 28, 2021 Share #205 Posted January 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Vieri said: I don't think I ever said that, since that wasn't my evaluation of that camera. I always thought it was a camera without a clear purpose, when it came to what it is designed to shoot. I.e., the new 100S makes a lot more sense to me, as far as it's possible uses. Best regards, Vieri Sorry, you’re right.. you never really used the word “toy” but I guess it was interpreted that way because it somewhat hinted that’s what you were saying.. gfx 100 and now the 100s is capable of doing anything that you can do with the S system.. we may need a gallery with blind test samples for people to guess which is what.. AND, it’s capable of doing a whole lot more with the 250mm f4 and 1.4x converter.. it’s high speed shooting is decent enough to capture to freeze some action in decent light.. the images are tack sharp!! I’ve got crazy good portraits with the 250mm as well.. the 110mm is even more awesome! It will be hard to beat the 100s now.. I’ve got an x1d as well and it’s pretty awesome too! Just saying that the GFX is no less (in fact it’s got more going for it) anyway, didn’t mean to pull you into this old thread.. we can put it to rest 😌 I am convinced all the systems discussed here are winners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted January 28, 2021 Share #206 Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, aksclix said: gfx 100 and now the 100s is capable of doing anything that you can do with the S system.. we may need a gallery with blind test samples for people to guess which is what.. Just wait for the stampede as people leave this forum 😉 Why do you feel the need for 100MP to look at images on a TV? john 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 28, 2021 Share #207 Posted January 28, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, John McMaster said: Just wait for the stampede as people leave this forum 😉 Why do you feel the need for 100MP to look at images on a TV? john I don’t need 100MP.. I would’ve been happy with 50 or 64 whatever if the 50s had IBIS and PDAF.. but it’s nice to have to crop the crap out of it.. and btw, I did mention in one of the posts earlier that I intend to print wall murals and larger prints later this year.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted January 28, 2021 Share #208 Posted January 28, 2021 Sorry, I missed that john 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 30, 2021 Share #209 Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 11:32 PM, aksclix said: I don’t need 100MP.. I would’ve been happy with 50 or 64 whatever if the 50s had IBIS and PDAF.. but it’s nice to have to crop the crap out of it.. and btw, I did mention in one of the posts earlier that I intend to print wall murals and larger prints later this year.. Totally d'accord. I like the IBIS, the price and the AF performance and features, probably in this order. I have all that already, just with a smaller sensor 🙈 The haptic experience of Fujifilm digital cameras has never really exited me. Certainly not after an X1D or an S. Each time I pick up the X1D2, I have a smile in my face. This is priceless. Same with S, it just gets lesser air time recently. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted January 30, 2021 Share #210 Posted January 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Photon42 said: Totally d'accord. I like the IBIS, the price and the AF performance and features, probably in this order. I have all that already, just with a smaller sensor 🙈 The haptic experience of Fujifilm digital cameras has never really exited me. Certainly not after an X1D or an S. Each time I pick up the X1D2, I have a smile in my face. This is priceless. Same with S, it just gets lesser air time recently. I agree. Hated both the 50S (nose rubbing on screen) and 50R (plasticky hollow rectangular box). But the GFX100 felt quite a bit better, and it looks like the 100S may have improved the haptics even further so I remain hopeful 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 8, 2021 Share #211 Posted February 8, 2021 I'm sorry to bring this down to price discussions, but do people think the used price of the older cameras (the X1D is 3+ years old now) are going to be impacted when the new Fujis come on-stream? The current prices for these cameras are all over the place - everything from 2800euros or so, right up to 8500euros (more than a new X1D II) so I'm finding it somewhat difficult to understand whether I should just wait for things to settle? Sorry again if price discussions are really not what this thread should be about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted February 8, 2021 Share #212 Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, plasticman said: I'm sorry to bring this down to price discussions, but do people think the used price of the older cameras (the X1D is 3+ years old now) are going to be impacted when the new Fujis come on-stream? The current prices for these cameras are all over the place - everything from 2800euros or so, right up to 8500euros (more than a new X1D II) so I'm finding it somewhat difficult to understand whether I should just wait for things to settle? Sorry again if price discussions are really not what this thread should be about. No question about it. Even X1d Ii will be hit once 100s hit the market and in people’s hand. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted February 8, 2021 Share #213 Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, ZHNL said: No question about it. Even X1d Ii will be hit once 100s hit the market and in people’s hand. Possible but I don’t think the x1d II will be discounted right away.. OTOH, gfx100 and gfx 50s should definitely see a reduction in price! I just don’t know why anybody would buy a 50s for just 500 bucks less or the 100 for 4K more!! The gfx 100 is heavy for today’s standards and the vertical grip is such a joke!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 8, 2021 Share #214 Posted February 8, 2021 I think the more often a brand brings new models the more prices decrease. However I am pretty sure its not all about price. Some people prefer Fuji, others Hassy or Leica. I do not really believe the new Fuji will habe much influence on x1d/x1dII prices. If you buy used take you time and make sure you get camera in mint condition! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted February 8, 2021 Share #215 Posted February 8, 2021 5 hours ago, plasticman said: I'm sorry to bring this down to price discussions, but do people think the used price of the older cameras (the X1D is 3+ years old now) are going to be impacted when the new Fujis come on-stream? The current prices for these cameras are all over the place - everything from 2800euros or so, right up to 8500euros (more than a new X1D II) so I'm finding it somewhat difficult to understand whether I should just wait for things to settle? Sorry again if price discussions are really not what this thread should be about. I got a used x1d for 2900 USD and I missed it when they had it for 2700 USD.. I don’t need an upgrade to X1D II with the same sensor.. I think the used market is the best frikkin thing! Thanks to so many different players in the market making frequent updates, used PRO gear is more and more affordable! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted February 8, 2021 Share #216 Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, tom0511 said: If you buy used take you time... Yes, patience is the key. Over the last 9 months I've managed to buy off eBay:- A 006 (with 6 spots of sensor corrosion) for £680. I then sold off some of the accessories that it came with and it ended up costing me a mere £220! A mint 30-90mm for £2,500 A mint 70mm CS for £1,120 A mint 120mm Macro (with new AF motor) for £1,755 A 007 (body in "7+/10" condition but with a perfect sensor) for £2,420 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 8, 2021 Share #217 Posted February 8, 2021 That's just depressing. And indication of how unsustainable the S system is in its current form. Hopefully new life can be breathed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted February 9, 2021 Share #218 Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Sarnian said: Yes, patience is the key. Over the last 9 months I've managed to buy off eBay:- A 006 (with 6 spots of sensor corrosion) for £680. I then sold off some of the accessories that it came with and it ended up costing me a mere £220! A mint 30-90mm for £2,500 A mint 70mm CS for £1,120 A mint 120mm Macro (with new AF motor) for £1,755 A 007 (body in "7+/10" condition but with a perfect sensor) for £2,420 remarkable! you've got patience for sure and the mint ones are a steal deal.. looks like someone was very desperate to sell those off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2021 Share #219 Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: That's just depressing. And indication of how unsustainable the S system is in its current form. Hopefully new life can be breathed in. Those prices are not representative of those I’ve seen at major Leica dealers, with warranty and return policy (and typically with new AF motors), albeit still not robust. So, IF the dealer samples are actually selling in a reasonable time at or near advertised prices, the story might not be quite as depressing. But I have no knowledge about actual sales and, yes, the S system seems at a crossroads....at best. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted February 9, 2021 Share #220 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) I don't understand why would anyone pay double (or triple) the prices by going through a dealer. I bought the 70mm CS from mbp.us for USD$858.71 because the auto focus motor had died. As mpb.us don't ship internationally I had them ship it to my MyUS.com address who then shipped it to me. I then shipped it myself to Leica to get the AF motor fixed. A hassle? Not really. This is where patience comes in. The final cost to me of GBP£1,120 was inclusive of 3 lots of shipping and the AF replacement cost. And, of course, having the AF motor replaced by Leica means that it is now under a fresh manufacturer warranty. The 007 that I bought it a little beat up (body-wise) but I could send it off to Leica and get it back to pristine condition for probably <GBP£800. With the money I saved not buying it from a dealer I'll still be 'quids in' afterwards. Happy days. I can't afford an S3 at the moment but by building a nice set of S lenses in the current climate I'll be able to use them in, say, 10 years' time when S3 prices have come down sufficiently. If I win the lottery I'll buy an S3 - a new one - tomorrow! 🤑 Edited February 9, 2021 by Sarnian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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