Leica S adapter L on the Panasonic S1R

[ropo54]

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Does anyone know whether the Leica S adapter L works with the Panasonic S1R?

Thanks, Rob

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[helged]

2 hours ago, ropo54 said:

Does anyone know whether the Leica S adapter L works with the Panasonic S1R?

Thanks, Rob

Apparently yes - see towards the end of the thread 

 

[ropo54]

5 hours ago, helged said:

Apparently yes - see towards the end of the thread 

 

Thank you, Helged.  Rob

Edited April 20, 2019 by ropo54

[darylgo]

Rob, 

The S-L adapter on the S1R does not allow autofocus or aperture control.  It can be used with manual focus and wide open aperture.  The camera does not preclude it's use but the functions are not enabled.  I would speculate at this point (my S1R had been returned) that the removal of an S lens from a body in a stopped down mode would be a work around similar to the Canon EF lens work around.  

[ropo54]

6 minutes ago, darylgo said:

Rob, 

The S-L adapter on the S1R does not allow autofocus or aperture control.  It can be used with manual focus and wide open aperture.  The camera does not preclude it's use but the functions are not enabled.  I would speculate at this point (my S1R had been returned) that the removal of an S lens from a body in a stopped down mode would be a work around similar to the Canon EF lens work around.  

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DarylGo:

Perhaps I had read it incorrectly, but I think it does allow for aperture control, but just not Auto Focus.

Rob

Edited April 20, 2019 by ropo54

[Stuart Richardson]

Regarding AF, the more that I think about it, the more it makes sense that Leica has not made AF available to the Panasonic S1 and S1R. Think about how much grief they have had with AF failures...if a third party company comes in and the lenses AF on their body, and they decide to focus them as fast as possible or even somehow have an algorithm that stresses the AF system more than the S or SL, then they might wind up with a lot of AF gear failures on bodies which they did not design, and still have to either replace the lenses under warranty or clog up their repair section with AF replacements from angry customers. I would hope they can find a way to implement it, but perhaps that was part of their thinking...or perhaps it is not on Leica at all, but all Panasonic?

Edited April 20, 2019 by Stuart Richardson

[adamquesada]

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44 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Regarding AF, the more that I think about it, the more it makes sense that Leica has not made AF available to the Panasonic S1 and S1R. Think about how much grief they have had with AF failures...if a third party company comes in and the lenses AF on their body, and they decide to focus them as fast as possible or even somehow have an algorithm that stresses the AF system more than the S or SL, then they might wind up with a lot of AF gear failures on bodies which they did not design, and still have to either replace the lenses under warranty or clog up their repair section with AF replacements from angry customers. I would hope they can find a way to implement it, but perhaps that was part of their thinking...or perhaps it is not on Leica at all, but all Panasonic?

Agreed. 

[darylgo]

5 hours ago, ropo54 said:

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DarylGo:

Perhaps I had read it incorrectly, but I think it does allow for aperture control, but just not Auto Focus.

Rob

Rob, sorry for any misinformation.  Those were my findings, however my attempts were quick and perhaps not thorough.  I no longer have the camera to check again.  

[xiaubauu2009]

On 4/20/2019 at 7:42 PM, darylgo said:

Rob, 

The S-L adapter on the S1R does not allow autofocus or aperture control.  It can be used with manual focus and wide open aperture.  The camera does not preclude it's use but the functions are not enabled.  I would speculate at this point (my S1R had been returned) that the removal of an S lens from a body in a stopped down mode would be a work around similar to the Canon EF lens work around.  

oh, if that's the case, it doesn't work electronically, it is just there to bump the flange distance. no difference than a dump adaptor.

Bummer.

[Stuart Richardson]

That appears to have been contradicted by others (see the other threads)...apparently it DOES work with aperture and focal length, and it automatically brings up the magnified screen during focus, but the adapter does not allow AF.

[BernardC]

I don't know if it's a coincidence, but it seems like people with the S1 say that it works, and people with the S1r say that it doesn't.

[darylgo]

29 minutes ago, BernardC said:

I don't know if it's a coincidence, but it seems like people with the S1 say that it works, and people with the S1r say that it doesn't.

When I tested my S70mm on the S1R it didn't allow aperture settings but I am thinking that there was a necessary update that I hadn't done, because others report they can control aperture.   It's not unusual for adapters to work well for some and not for others, a look at the SL/Canon  adapter reports on these forums show that the variability is great, similar combinations have variability that work/don't work.    

[ynp]

On 4/20/2019 at 3:56 PM, Stuart Richardson said:

Regarding AF, the more that I think about it, the more it makes sense that Leica has not made AF available to the Panasonic S1 and S1R. Think about how much grief they have had with AF failures...if a third party company comes in and the lenses AF on their body, and they decide to focus them as fast as possible or even somehow have an algorithm that stresses the AF system more than the S or SL, then they might wind up with a lot of AF gear failures on bodies which they did not design, and still have to either replace the lenses under warranty or clog up their repair section with AF replacements from angry customers. I would hope they can find a way to implement it, but perhaps that was part of their thinking...or perhaps it is not on Leica at all, but all Panasonic?

I agree with you, Stuart.  My S100mm broke down when I mounted it on my SL through the adapter for the first time to test. Leica repaired the lens free of charge of course. 

Yevgeny 

 

[349A]

On 4/25/2019 at 5:37 AM, ynp said:

I agree with you, Stuart.  My S100mm broke down when I mounted it on my SL through the adapter for the first time to test. Leica repaired the lens free of charge of course. 

Yevgeny 

 

My 45mm broke the first time I mounted it on the SL. 

[ynp]

25 minutes ago, 349A said:

My 45mm broke the first time I mounted it on the SL. 

Some people say that the S2 is immune from the AF problems, that only the newer SL, S006 and S007 , with their faster AF can damage lenses. Indeed, my S24 was damaged when I let a friend to use my lens on his S007, but one of my AF failures happened with my old S2P. And my S2P is on the original firmware. 

 

[tom0511]

Am 25.4.2019 um 14:37 schrieb ynp:

I agree with you, Stuart.  My S100mm broke down when I mounted it on my SL through the adapter for the first time to test. Leica repaired the lens free of charge of course. 

Yevgeny 

 

If Leica does not allow the S lenses they might be save to avoid more motor-damages. But they also will risk that some people will rather buy lenses from other brands instead of using S lenses.  IMO Leica would benefit more to make AF available for the S lenses on the Panas.

[Stuart Richardson]

I agree with you to some extent, but I think Leica really only envisions the adapter being used by S owners. The SL lenses are cheaper and better for use the L mount cameras, so there is very little reason to buy the S lenses unless you plan to also use them on an S body (or initially bought them to use primarily on the S body).

[tom0511]

I believe overall you are correct with your first sentence. I am not totally convinced though that I prefer the rendering of SL lenses over S lenses. For example I sometimes find that the SL lenses, while being supersharp, might miss a certain gentle rendering which I feel the S lenses do. Also I find the prices for the SL Summicrons steep. (For example 4500 Euro for a 35/2.0 lens). So IMO some S lenses (specially 70 and 100 as portrait lenses, 120 as macro and 180 as a tele lens) can be interesting for SL and S1(r) users. I do admit though that I have not used my S-SL adapter much with the SL. Anyways, for me as a S and L user it would be great if the S lenses could AF on the S1r. I must say that after 2 weeks with the S1r that at the moment I prefer that body over the SL. (Not only in regards of resolution but I also really got comfortable with the grip and with the UI.) I am very interested to see how the SL2 will turn out.

Edited April 29, 2019 by tom0511

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[alan.y]

S lenses autofocus very slowly in live view on the S 007. Are they faster adapted to the SL? If not, perhaps Leica/Panasonic disabled autofocus also because it’s just not practical (and unflattering compared to native lenses designed for contrast AF). 

[Jeff S]

Has anyone here experienced a broken S lens that has received the new AF parts fix? I haven’t read about any examples.  If not, it’s a shame Leica didn’t issue a recall from the start... pay for it now or pay more for it later.  

Jeff