grahamhoey Posted March 18, 2019 Share #1 Posted March 18, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) As some of you know I was diagnosed a year and a half ago with Lewy Body Disease with Parkinsons. The result now is my hands shake quite a bit. I love the form and functionality of the SL but find I need a shutter speed of 1/1000 to steady the camera. This, as you know, is a difficult maximum shutter speed to work with. I use a tripod as much as possible but sometimes it’s nice to get more spontaneous images. I would appreciate your thoughts as to the S1R with IBIS. I really love the SL Summicrons which of course don’t have in lens stabilization. I know the zooms do, but I find them too heavy. Any sense of how much the S1R could improve my situation. I know it says 5 1/2 stops. Is it realistic to expect this compared to the SL. If this topic is more appropriately in the other L forum, moderator feel free to move it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caissa Posted March 19, 2019 Share #2 Posted March 19, 2019 Panasonic is well known for one of the best IBIS implementations. In the S1R hardly anybody has the experience yet, but probably Panasonic know what they are doing. So if IBIS is of any help for you, then this is probably one of the best cameras. If it is exactly 5.5 stops improvement needs further tests ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted March 19, 2019 Share #3 Posted March 19, 2019 Graham, I do not know the answer to your question, but wish you well. Regards, Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 19, 2019 Share #4 Posted March 19, 2019 There is a standard which allows manufacturers to cite the "# stops improvement" due to IBIS, but what this means in terms of the amount of motion and frequency which can be overcome is a mystery. Roger Cicala at LensRentals commented somewhere that he spent some months trying to come up with his own standardized tests on IBIS and couldn't do it. And I would guess that what works for one person may not be the right thing for another. It sounds like the only answer is to try the actual camera, at least for half an hour in the store. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 19, 2019 Share #5 Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, grahamhoey said: As some of you know I was diagnosed a year and a half ago with Lewy Body Disease with Parkinsons. The result now is my hands shake quite a bit. I love the form and functionality of the SL but find I need a shutter speed of 1/1000 to steady the camera. This, as you know, is a difficult maximum shutter speed to work with. I use a tripod as much as possible but sometimes it’s nice to get more spontaneous images. I would appreciate your thoughts as to the S1R with IBIS. I really love the SL Summicrons which of course don’t have in lens stabilization. I know the zooms do, but I find them too heavy. Any sense of how much the S1R could improve my situation. I know it says 5 1/2 stops. Is it realistic to expect this compared to the SL. If this topic is more appropriately in the other L forum, moderator feel free to move it. from IR's review "The 5-axis IS system in camera body itself offers up to 5.5 stops. The in-body IS mechanism is about 2x heavier than that of Lumix Micro Four Thirds cameras, housing four larger voice coil motors for increase speed and precision. When using an optical stabilized lenses, the two stabilization system work together for even better stabilization correction; this Dual I.S. 2 system can produce up to 6 stops of correction, and it works for both stills and video" on a side note..as i shoot a lot of street photos..IBIS/OIS is terrible when the subject is moving...but it's amazing for static subjects. Edited March 19, 2019 by frame-it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 19, 2019 Share #6 Posted March 19, 2019 Obviously I don’t know about the S1R, but it should be at least as good as the GX8 that I have. It allows me to handhold an 800 mm equ. Lens @ 1/125, with luck 1/60.As you need 1/1000 just like the combo I use without IBIS/OIS, the gain should be considerable 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 19, 2019 Share #7 Posted March 19, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, grahamhoey said: As some of you know I was diagnosed a year and a half ago with Lewy Body Disease with Parkinsons. The result now is my hands shake quite a bit. I love the form and functionality of the SL but find I need a shutter speed of 1/1000 to steady the camera. This, as you know, is a difficult maximum shutter speed to work with. I use a tripod as much as possible but sometimes it’s nice to get more spontaneous images. I would appreciate your thoughts as to the S1R with IBIS. I really love the SL Summicrons which of course don’t have in lens stabilization. I know the zooms do, but I find them too heavy. Any sense of how much the S1R could improve my situation. I know it says 5 1/2 stops. Is it realistic to expect this compared to the SL. If this topic is more appropriately in the other L forum, moderator feel free to move it. Sorry to hear about your problems. I have the S1R and 5 stops is about right ......which should counteract your tremor so a significant degree. Dual OIS + IBIS is only available for Panasonic lenses .... but it only gives you about an additional stop. If the lens has OIS it defaults to that .... if no OIS then IBIS is the default. With Leica OIS lenses you can choose OIS or IBIS .... but to be honest I can't tell the difference. Interestingly Panasonic say to leave IBIS on all the time .... even on a tripod as it will compensate for micro-vibrations and help image quality. I have my reservations about wider M lens image quality on the S1R (my initial tests show the usual problems with non-Leica sensors), but all the SL, TL and R lenses work perfectly. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamhoey Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted March 19, 2019 Thank you everyone, appreciate the advice. I had sold my SL vario 24-90 but realized it advertises as 3.5 stops OIS. So have decided to try that lens again and see how I do with that. Allows me to stay with the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 19, 2019 Share #9 Posted March 19, 2019 8 hours ago, thighslapper said: Sorry to hear about your problems. I have the S1R and 5 stops is about right ......which should counteract your tremor so a significant degree. Dual OIS + IBIS is only available for Panasonic lenses .... but it only gives you about an additional stop. If the lens has OIS it defaults to that .... if no OIS then IBIS is the default. With Leica OIS lenses you can choose OIS or IBIS .... but to be honest I can't tell the difference. Interestingly Panasonic say to leave IBIS on all the time .... even on a tripod as it will compensate for micro-vibrations and help image quality. I have my reservations about wider M lens image quality on the S1R (my initial tests show the usual problems with non-Leica sensors), but all the SL, TL and R lenses work perfectly. First you say it gives 5 stops, and then you say one stop. I'm puzzled... Do you mean with non-Panasonic lenses? In that case the solution is clear - get a Panasonic with Panasonic lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 19, 2019 Share #10 Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: First you say it gives 5 stops, and then you say one stop. I'm puzzled... Do you mean with non-Panasonic lenses? I that case the solution is clear - get a Panasonic with Panasonic lenses. IBIS = 5 stops, irrespective of which lens. IBIS+OIS = 6 stops, but with Pana-lenses only. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvdP Posted March 23, 2019 Share #11 Posted March 23, 2019 What sprung to my mind to counter your “problem” is to use either a mono pod or a tri pod. Of course it is in many cases not very practical but it gives you steadyness. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamhoey Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted March 23, 2019 Thank you everyone for your help. I picked up a used SL Vario 24-90 given its OIS. Picture focus point was on the tree on the right side. Shutter speed was 1/250 so a marked improvement from 1/1000. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/295358-ibis-health-help-question-re-use-of-sl/?do=findComment&comment=3708095'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24, 2019 Share #13 Posted March 24, 2019 There is another old Leica trick: get a Leica mini-tripod and ballhead (vintage ) and use as a chestpod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamhoey Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, jaapv said: There is another old Leica trick: get a Leica mini-tripod and ballhead (vintage ) and use as a chestpod. Great idea. I hadn’t thought of that. I have both the mini tripod and ballhead that I haven’t used in years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 24, 2019 Share #15 Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, grahamhoey said: Great idea. I hadn’t thought of that. I have both the mini tripod and ballhead that I haven’t used in years. It is a good idea to get the long ball head if you can because it can turn to portrait orientation. The short head is a hassle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted March 24, 2019 Share #16 Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Hello Graham, Sorry about your situation. When you are using your small Leitz/Leica tripod with a large ball head please remember to make sure that the tripod is wearing soft, non-marking slippers (Available after market.) so that you can put it against walls, both inside & outside. Inside door frames. Against rocks & trees. On cars with their engines OFF. And, even on tables. And more. I have used 1 of these for a number of years & have pretty much have not had to use a full sized tripod for years. The more you use it, the more ways you find to use it. Best Regards & Be Well, Michael Edited March 24, 2019 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 25, 2019 Share #17 Posted March 25, 2019 Here’s another technique (without tripod or chest pod) from our old friend Lars... Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamhoey Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted March 25, 2019 20 hours ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello Graham, Sorry about your situation. When you are using your small Leitz/Leica tripod with a large ball head please remember to make sure that the tripod is wearing soft, non-marking slippers (Available after market.) so that you can put it against walls, both inside & outside. Inside door frames. Against rocks & trees. On cars with their engines OFF. And, even on tables. And more. I have used 1 of these for a number of years & have pretty much have not had to use a full sized tripod for years. The more you use it, the more ways you find to use it. Best Regards & Be Well, Michael Thank you, great tips Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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