'Hopelist' for SL2

[albireo_double]

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Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this,  but I'd like to get the ability to use the leaf shutters in my CS lenses on the SL2, via the S-L adapter. 
Alternatively a radio trigger that does HSS/TTL with my Profoto strobes (ideally built in, like in the Phase One XF camera, perhaps in place of the battery-eating, never properly working GPS... ...that can in case be substituted by hooking the camera up wirelessly to one's GPS-enabled smartphone).

Edited March 10, 2019 by albireo_double

[ynp]

2 hours ago, albireo_double said:

Alternatively a radio trigger that does HSS/TTL with my Profoto strobes (ideally built in, like in the Phase One XF camera, perhaps in place of the battery-eating, never properly working GPS..

+1

while I doubt very much that the SL2 will be able to control the S central shutter lenses, I agree that HS/HSS with either Profoto or Elinchrom/ Rotolight strobe systems will be very nice to have.  I don’t believe that Leica will have a Broncolor HS trigger in the nearest future. 

It’s known that when Broncolor found out that it’s very expensive to build a custom HS triggers in Germany or Switzerland, they approached a Chinese manufacturer and they made them a trigger. Maybe Leica can use Nissin and adapt the Leica Nissin trigger to a mainstream professional strobe system. It will allow them to integrate their speedlights with strobes. 

[Guest]

On 3/9/2019 at 8:14 PM, IkarusJohn said:

On a tripod I use the Fotos App

I tried it once, the painful speed and buggy implementation was enough to convince me it's not a practical solution for me (the older SL app is much better actually, but still not quite there compared to the immediacy of using the screen on the camera itself).

[IkarusJohn]

Interesting - I discovered that once you wait for the green light to stop blinking, the connection is reasonably reliable and stable.  Then again, with electronics, it ca be how you hold your mouth ...

[LocalHero1953]

Interesting to see that the Q2, even with a new and praised EVF that is not far short of the SL's EVF in resolution, retains its classic Leica shape, like the TL2, CL and M, with no DSLR-style hump. Hasselblad was widely praised for its similar styling in the X1D.

I wonder if the new, reportedly less brutal, less axe-cut SL2 will adopt a similar sleek form. It would make it very attractive.

It's a pity no one has done a tear-down of the SL to see exactly how big the SL's EVF is, and how much its quality is dependent on its physical size and on the associated optics. Adding more pixels is one thing, making the assembly smaller while improving the EVF experience is quite another.

Edited March 11, 2019 by LocalHero1953

[mmradman]

56 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Interesting to see that the Q2, even with a new and praised EVF that is not far short of the SL's EVF in resolution, retains its classic Leica shape, like the TL2, CL and M, with no DSLR-style hump. Hasselblad was widely praised for its similar styling in the X1D.

I wonder if the new, reportedly less brutal, less axe-cut SL2 will adopt a similar sleek form. It would make it very attractive.

It's a pity no one has done a tear-down of the SL to see exactly how big the SL's EVF is, and how much its quality is dependent on its physical size and on the associated optics. Adding more pixels is one thing, making the assembly smaller while improving the EVF experience is quite another.

I think size of EVF chip is not main issue, supporting EVF optics is the key and it is not small. 

And here is one for SL601, courtesy of Von Overgaard

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For comparison I found similar Nikon Z camera cut out on the web (hopefully no copyright crime commited).

Edited March 11, 2019 by mmradman
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[LichtUndDunkelheit]

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Yep, if you want the best possible EVF optics, those require a certain amount of space. Which is one reason why many mirrorless have such a "SLR hump". Another important reason is that not everybody is right eye dominant and thus rangefinders arent actually that comfortable to operate for everyone.

The best EVF though is a flexible one, like the Fujifilm GFX 50S has (or can have, since the module for that is actually separate item). Comfortable to use in any situation.

 

[Chaemono]

The L-mount alliance makes the hump in the SL a necessity, I’m afraid. Only the hump can house bleeding edge EVF technology to allow for technological differentiation to the partners/competitors in an area where Leica has core competence, optics.

[caissa]

The EVF in the SL is from Epson and is bigger than the typical size used in other mirrorless cameras.And these are the specs.
Here are the specs for the 4.4 MP EVF in the SL, published on the Epson Japan website:

• Product name: L3FJ63800C
• Liquid crystal type: TN-type organic orientation
• Color display system: Color filter (RGB stripe)
• Effective pixels: 1400 × RGB × 1050 (SXGA +)
• Screen size: (diagonal) 0.66 inches (1.65 cm)
• Pixel pitch: 9.6 (3.2 × RGB) μm × 9.6 μm
• Color space: sRGB cover 98%
• Backlight: Yes
• Surface brightness: 650 cd / m²
• Display color: About 1,677 million colors

Sony has lately (May of last year) announced a EVF with 5.76 MP which is smaller (12.6mm diagonal). I do not know, if this is used in the S1/R, or if there is also a newer EVF from Epson (but I did not find it published anywhere). I wonder if Sony would let Panasonic use it, before any of their own cameras has it. 

https://www.dpreview.com/news/6857011184/sony-reveals-faster-higher-res-oled-viewfinder-display

This smaller EVF would probably also allow a smaller hump.  

Edited March 11, 2019 by caissa

[Chaemono]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb caissa:

I wonder if Sony would let Panasonic use it, before any of their own cameras has it.

First, in the link it says “Mass production shipment date planned November 2018.” It can’t be for Sony’s cameras unless the α7R IV has been released and Sony didn’t tell anyone about it. Second, look at the price of that thing. It’s 450 USD. Sony needs the volume to drive down price. This will benefit its own cameras, too. Third, Sony sells its sensor chips to third parties, so why not its VF chips. I’d say it’s safe to assume that it’s Sony’s VF chip in the Panasonic. 

[caissa]

The price is only a sample price. In production, with very large orders it will only be a fraction. Maybe 50 dollars, or only 10, it all depends on the number ordered. Not easy to predict from outside ...

[Chaemono]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb caissa:

This smaller EVF would probably also allow a smaller hump.  

Or, perhaps, you use this smaller EVF in a big, SL type hump and fill it by blowing the image up a bit. Those with glasses still get to see it in full size, though. 😛

[frame-it]

wonder if the SL2 will match this AF speed/accuracy

 

 

Edited March 17, 2019 by frame-it

[verwackelt]

i do not think so, it is a different AF-technology. I do not think the SL2 is the first choice for action shooters…

[Chaemono]

Impressive. In the video, Sony emphasizes AI algorithms and processor speed. So, exactly the same approach that Panasonic takes. What role does PDAF play in this performance and can CDAF with better AI algorithms/training and faster processing achieve similar tracking eventually? BTW, the OOF areas above look 'nervous.' 😁

[verwackelt]

i think with CDAF you will always have more errors in which direction the af motor turns.
Even with best AI algorithms. PDAF may be always faster but has other downsides like banding in higher ISO
But for most of our photography the AF of the Panasonic S1 S1R will be more than sufficient…
 

Videofilmer tends more to PDAF because of less "pumping effect"

Edited March 17, 2019 by verwackelt

[Agent M10]

I will throw in my two cents just in case there is any chance that Leica is taking note.

1. A strap lug (or whatever you want to call it) on the baseplate. I just bought an RRS baseplate for the sole reason that it has a place to attach the strap. The McCurry days of having a light Nikon and 50mm lens around the neck are over. The added weight of digital cameras and bigger lenses require photographers to sling their cameras over their shoulders. I don't know why none of the camera makers have incorporated strap lugs on the baseplates of their cameras.

2. A grid that incorporates the golden ratio. The SL includes a grid based on the "law of thirds," whatever that is. Cartier-Bresson and other artists incorporated the golden ratio into their work, not this "law of thirds." Some camera makers have incorporated a grid that mimics the ratio. I wish Leica would do the same. 

3. 16-bit color? Seems to me that camera technology has pretty much leveled out. There isn't much new under the sun with the newer models. I'm not an engineer by any stretch of the imagination so I don't know the ins and outs of color technology, but you see the 007 and it gives a different rendering even though it has the same pixel pitch as the SL. Maybe it's because it is MF. Maybe it's because of 16-bit color. I don't know. Given the new APO primes, maybe 16-bit color would distinguish the SL2 from the rest of the pack.  I'd rather have it, if it makes any difference and doesn't increase the body size or weight, than 11 shots per second.  

[IkarusJohn]

For all this talk of the benefits of more MP and the sensor in the new Q2 appearing in the SL2, it is worth noting that the Q2 has more noise and less dynamic range at all ISO's, according to a post on the Leica Rumours site.  More MP isn't really justified for me, in that context.  I would go further to say that for future M and SL cameras, I would rather see less noise and greater dynamic range than more MP ...

[thighslapper]

18 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

For all this talk of the benefits of more MP and the sensor in the new Q2 appearing in the SL2, it is worth noting that the Q2 has more noise and less dynamic range at all ISO's, according to a post on the Leica Rumours site.  More MP isn't really justified for me, in that context.  I would go further to say that for future M and SL cameras, I would rather see less noise and greater dynamic range than more MP ...

There is an assumption from some that the Q2 sensor will be the same as the one in the SL2 ...... but I have my doubts .....

The Q has a fixed lens and I would have expected Leica to have made the optics sensor friendly ..... so within reason they can use any off the shelf sensor with minor modifications. 

By contrast Leica used specific design features in the SL to minimise the issues with M lenses ..... such as shallow wells and micro lens configuration that maximises light capture. I would be surprised if they used the same sensor as the Lumix S1R ..... and astonished if they sacrificed DR and noise for extra resolution. 

Having checked files on the S1R with LENR on and off ...... I would think it highly likely it will be compulsory again on the SL2. I also can't see FF IBIS fitting into the current SL form factor, having looked at the innards of the S1R. 

Of course Leica may have been working on some whizzy hi-res, high DR, low heat, low energy and low noise M compatible sensor for the last 3 years that knocks all the competition for six .....

Edited March 22, 2019 by thighslapper

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[IkarusJohn]

I think that’s highly plausible.