IkarusJohn Posted March 29, 2019 Share #161 Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I may well (probably will?) be made by the same manufacturer (Tower Jazz or whatever it’s called - will we ever know?), but I can’t think why it would be the same as the Q2 sensor, for all the reasons discussed previously. You get a 50% gain in the number of pixels, with increased noise and loss in dynamic range - no thanks. The SL2 sensor may have more pickles (who cares), but it will surely have better dynamic range, less noise at a wider range of ISO and an overall impriovement in things we didn’t know we needed, and will work fabulously with Leica L mount and M mount lenses (the rest can go to hell). Okay, maybe not hell, but for one, I’m not very interested. I guess there’s an appeal for a universal platform, but why should Leica make a camera to play with any one elses lenses but their own, and maybe Panasonic’s and Sigma’s ... Edited March 29, 2019 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ynp Posted March 30, 2019 Share #162 Posted March 30, 2019 13 hours ago, Agent M10 said: This would be pretty interesting: a different Bayer array in the SL2. Thanks, very interesting . I am curious if the first Leica camera with the new array will be the S3. We will know when it’s announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxo Posted March 30, 2019 Share #163 Posted March 30, 2019 vor 7 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn: I may well (probably will?) be made by the same manufacturer (Tower Jazz or whatever it’s called - will we ever know?), but I can’t think why it would be the same as the Q2 sensor, for all the reasons discussed previously. You get a 50% gain in the number of pixels, with increased noise and loss in dynamic range - no thanks. The .... The dynamic range of the new SL2 should increase by at least one stop. If the SL2 sensor uses the same sensor as the Q2, I'm happy to keep my SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 30, 2019 Share #164 Posted March 30, 2019 vor 23 Minuten schrieb saxo: If the SL2 sensor uses the same sensor as the Q2, I'm happy to keep my SL. I don't think so. Thighslapper and John may be on to something. See here for Q2 sensor: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/03/27/the-leica-q2-real-world-review-and-experience-worth-the-5k/. M10 sensor performs better in low light than Q2, and the SL2 sensor needs to be better than the M10 one for the camera to sell, particularly in the 7,500-9,000 EUR price range and in the face of much lower priced choice now for L-mount users. Competition can be a beautiful thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted March 30, 2019 Share #165 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, saxo said: The dynamic range of the new SL2 should increase by at least one stop. If the SL2 sensor uses the same sensor as the Q2, I'm happy to keep my SL. I always take the Photons to Photos charts with a pinch of salt as they plot the ISO from the camera dial rather than the measured ISO but if this chart is to be believed the dynamic range of the Q2 is essentially the same as the SL. Not a bad result given the higher pixel density, of course. So yes, the Q2 sensor in an SL2 wouldn't be a reason to upgrade if DR is driving the purchase. I really wish Leica would get on with announcing the SL2! 🙄 Edited March 30, 2019 by Bob Andersson Added 2nd para. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 30, 2019 Share #166 Posted March 30, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb Bob Andersson: I really wish Leica would get on with announcing the SL2! Why? I put my order in and am patiently waiting to get it...with a better sensor by year end. 😁 If I wanted it with the Q2 sensor, I’d get the S1R now. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 30, 2019 Share #167 Posted March 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new RYYB sensor is interesting, but I am somewhat skeptical. Red, green and blue have been the basis of color sensors for a long time for a reason, I suspect that, at least with first generation sensors, you would be trading color accuracy for low light performance. That might make sense for a smartphone with a tiny sensor, but probably less so for a full frame professional camera geared towards people who are especially picky about color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted March 30, 2019 Share #168 Posted March 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Why? I put my order in and am patiently waiting to get it... Mine's in as well and has been for a while... 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted March 30, 2019 Share #169 Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Stuart Richardson said: The new RYYB sensor is interesting, but I am somewhat skeptical. Red, green and blue have been the basis of color sensors for a long time for a reason, I suspect that, at least with first generation sensors, you would be trading color accuracy for low light performance. That might make sense for a smartphone with a tiny sensor, but probably less so for a full frame professional camera geared towards people who are especially picky about color. This might be true, but it also might have been a smart move to re-examine basic assumptions, especially given the leaps in technology and algorithms we’ve seen over the last ten years. As someone pointed out, maybe RYYB is the S3’s new color array which accounts for its improved ISO performance. I wouldn’t be surprised if Leica implemented something like this. While the majority says that Leica is always a step behind, I think they are always a couple of steps ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted April 1, 2019 Share #170 Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 6:29 PM, Chaemono said: ... The SL2 will be something like €7,000. I’m not interested in the S1R but would like to compare the DR, low light performance. As much as I'm looking forward to the announcement of the SL2 then sad to say if this is indeed the price then Leica will have lost me. My possible alternative, the S1R, also sad to say, has too much in the way of heft and girth to meet my needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted April 2, 2019 Share #171 Posted April 2, 2019 May I ask, how do people know that the SL2 sensor is going to be different from the S1R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 2, 2019 Share #172 Posted April 2, 2019 Sensor specs aren’t known. It could be worse. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted April 2, 2019 Share #173 Posted April 2, 2019 Before I would pre-order a SL2, I would like to see the price. (I remember the surprise (shock?!) when I saw the price for the S3.). I am definitely more worried about the price, than about the DR. 😎🤞 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted April 2, 2019 Share #174 Posted April 2, 2019 I hope the leaked Sony IMX555CQR 100 MP sensor isn't in the SL2. 😧 I would be extraordinarily surprised if an RYYB sensor was used in anything other than a smartphone. I've had some experience using RGB filters in astrophotography where the response curves of said filters do not match the response curves of the human eye. It needs some admittedly fairly simple algebraic manipulation on a per pixel level to map one to the other but that only works well if one can assume black body emission. I suspect, but can't prove, that in the regular photographic world the further the response curve of the Y filters in an RYYB array is from that of the G filters in a conventional RGGB array the more displeasing the finagled resultant image is likely to be. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 2, 2019 Share #175 Posted April 2, 2019 Apparently the new 100 MPx Sony FF sensor will be available to third parties. If anything, it has to be premium FF cameras that can incorporate it. What concerns me a bit is that the CL sensor is likely from Sony, so anything is possible. Of course, in a Leica body this sensor would produce nice organic high ISO ‘grain.’ 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted April 2, 2019 Share #176 Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Folks who bought the Q2 and its 47mps sensor are struggling with 80 mb dng files. Frankly, I don't see much picture improvement over the Q; in fact, I think it takes Leica further down the digitalized road aesthetically and away from any reference to film; some might like that, others, like me, not. Tests (FWIW) show no or only marginal increase in dynamic range over the original Q. The only advantage (besides weather proofing, which is something) is greater cropability. Sounds like an important thing on a fixed lens camera. We'll see. But not so much on the camera with interchangeable lenses and fantastic zooms at that. For me, it's about size and weight. The current SL is a non-starter (I tried twice convincing myself otherwise), and the Panasonic is even worse. (edited after reading Chaemono: OTOH, if there is a 100 mps sensor, my TL lenses will be awesome!) Edited April 2, 2019 by bags27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 3, 2019 Share #177 Posted April 3, 2019 vor 16 Stunden schrieb Bob Andersson: I hope the leaked Sony IMX555CQR 100 MP sensor isn't in the SL2. 😧 The sensor will be made available to third parties. http://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-Camera-Typ-601-Leica-SL-Small-Camera-Large-Print-and-Large-Lenses.html Karbe: For the Leica SL, it’s 100 megapixels. Overgaard: 100 megapixels? Karbe: Yeah. No problem. Coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted April 3, 2019 Share #178 Posted April 3, 2019 I hope so. 100 MP implies IBIS, huge files and probably several thousand more on the price (guess). And would Leica offer more pixels in an SL2 than the S3 even if the DR per pixel is less? I have no idea but I hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted April 3, 2019 Share #179 Posted April 3, 2019 Don´t you think a 100 MP SL2 will kill the S3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted April 3, 2019 Share #180 Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, verwackelt said: Don´t you think a 100 MP SL2 will kill the S3? Most probably yes. Leica management likes FUD, that and special editions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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