caissa Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share #141 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) In the latest version of Adobe DNG Converter the Lumix S cameras were not supported, yet. But now there is a temporary fix, the beta release 11.2.1 has been made available and it supports the S1 and S1R. https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/dng-converter-11-2-1-beta-released-for-interim-new-camera-support So finally it is possible to work with raw files (.rw2 converted to DNG). I tried some raws from photographyblog. Typical size was 69MB, the converted files were slightly smaller, around 51MB. Would be interesting to get a high res raw (probably going to be around 330MB). Edited March 16, 2019 by caissa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Andersson Posted March 17, 2019 Share #142 Posted March 17, 2019 A quick skim through the S1R manual reveals that the Dual I.S. modes are reserved for Panasonic's own glass. No great loss, perhaps, as the IBIS is so good but it does imply limits to L-Mount compatibility. The DNG converter (previous post) allowed me to check out some RAW files using PixInsight as well as PhotoShop. No red flags yet and I'll await the DxO dynamic range tests to be sure but if Leica uses the same 47MP sensor in the SL2 I don't think it'll be an issue. 🤞 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted March 18, 2019 Share #143 Posted March 18, 2019 I couldn't do an A/B comparison at the UK Photography Show today but the S1R feels a lot heavier in hand than my memory of the SL. Mileage will vary between individuals but for me that experience has ruled out the S1/S1R as I wouldn't be comfortable lumping it around all day. Incidentally I also found the GFX 50R felt heavy as well - maybe for both bodies the overriding factor is the ergonomics rather than the exact weight. Or maybe I'd just been spoilt by a first fondle of the Hasselblad X1D a little earlier. 🤩 So my next camera purchase will either be the SL2 or the X1D Mk II. As neither camera has been announced yet that's one way to save money, I suppose. 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share #144 Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Lumix S1R test video, this time with firmware 1.0 . (final version ?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPgsw1qiInw Edited March 19, 2019 by caissa 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share #145 Posted March 19, 2019 Here also Mr. Wong with the latest firmware. (testing face detection) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share #146 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) The first review of the Panasonic S pro 1.4/50mm lens. With many example pictures. https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_s_pro_50mm_f1_4_review/sharpness_1 Unfortunately no comparison with the Summilux SL 50mm, only the Sigma 1.4/50 , Canon 1.2/50 and Zeiss Otus 55mm are regarded as “main competitors”. 🤔 Edited March 20, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted March 20, 2019 Share #147 Posted March 20, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had great expectations about the S1s. This weekend I had the opportunity to handle the S1R and its lenses. I knew it would be heavy but I didn’t expected it to be that heavy. Outch ! And I use regularly a Mark IV with battery grip. I will wait for the SL2. If it is lighter than the S1, if it has IBIS and if the AF is up to date, it may replace my SL. - - And maybe my Canon if there is are L equivalents to the Canon 100-400, 500/4 IS and 1,4 X Extender. About that switch I expect the future EOS R Pro to be a strong contender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 20, 2019 Share #148 Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Leicaiste said: I will wait for the SL2. If it is lighter than the S1, if it has IBIS and if the AF is up to date, it may replace my SL. - - And maybe my Canon if there is are L equivalents to the Canon 100-400, 500/4 IS and 1,4 X Extender. 4 ifs in Leica land... Likely 2-3 too many, I would think/Im afraid... 😉 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share #149 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) The SL2 having the same technical components as the S1R (we assume Leica still has Panasonic as technology partner), and at the same time being less heavy than S1R (about 900g), how could that be possible ? The SL2 would have additionally GPS. Where could it save weight ? With a different EVF (But the one in the SL is bigger) ? Probably only by omitting IBIS, but is this desired ? By having a simple rear LCD (no tilt-swivel). And Probably by having less buttons, what we do expect, but how much weight will be saved this way ? The question is, why is the S1 so big ? Is it mainly because of video performance (having enough mass to absorb/dissipate the heat from the processing ? ) So Leica could maybe save weight by limiting the video capabilities. Regarding all that, I actually do not expect a much lighter SL2. And I would prefer having IBIS vs having less weight. Let’s keep fingers crossed. 🤞 Edited March 20, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 20, 2019 Share #150 Posted March 20, 2019 Looking at the 'exploded camera' at the Panasonic release at the NEC photo show there does not appear to be much fresh air inside the body by the time to have squeezed several processing boards, a big battery, the sensor, EVF/optics and IBIS ....... and made it robust and weather sealed. You can see a few seconds of this at 9.49 in the first of the two videos above...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share #151 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) Currently we see that the S1R is maybe not fulfilling ALL our hopes - heavy, not as nice as a future SL2 maybe etc. . Probably not as well adapted to M lenses as the SL. (Not suited for S lenses). But by accident I have just now stumbled across the price for the Leica S3 (with 64 MP and all the nice things), it is fifty thousand euros !! In this perspective I regard the 47MP (plus high res ability) and the BIG BODY and HEAVY WEIGHT of the S1R as a minor obstacle. And I am again more positive about it. Edited March 20, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 20, 2019 Share #152 Posted March 20, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb caissa: Currently we see that the S1R is maybe not fulfilling ALL our hopes - heavy, not as nice as a future SL2 maybe etc. . Probably not as well adapted to M lenses as the SL. (Not suited for S lenses). But by accident I have just now stumbled across the price for the Leica S3 (with 64 MP and all the nice things), it is fifty thousand euros !! In this perspective I regard the 47MP (plus high res ability) and the BIG BODY and HEAVY WEIGHT of the S1R as a minor obstacle. And I am again more positive about it. you mean fifteen? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted March 20, 2019 Share #153 Posted March 20, 2019 At the current euro/dollar conversion rate, 15,000 euros would make the S3 less costly that the original S, which is listed at B&H PhotoVideo for $19,995.00 US. If true, it would be a relative bargain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 20, 2019 Share #154 Posted March 20, 2019 vor 5 Minuten schrieb ron777: At the current euro/dollar conversion rate, 15,000 euros would make the S3 less costly that the original S, which is listed at B&H PhotoVideo for $19,995.00 US. If true, it would be a relative bargain. I have no idea if it will be 12 or 24 k dollar, but I know it wont be 50. If the camera is worth the price is a question everybody has to judge himself/herslef. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share #155 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) My online seller says it is 50000 euro. I see it right in front of me (foto mundus). Simply read the signs on the wall .... No on the screen . https://www.foto-mundus.de/digitalkameras/leica/s-kameras/29677/leica-s3-10827?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=retargeting&utm_campaign=lowerfunnel For 15K I would probably order one right now. Or maybe not, would first need to check my balances... Edited March 20, 2019 by caissa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share #156 Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) New S1R gallery (86 photos), now with firmware 1.0. Many raws and also some high res images (mode 1 and mode 2). High Res delivers really amazing details, but raw filesize is about 340 MB. Most photos have been made with the S 24-105. It seems to be an excellent lens, even for macro. Here the link for both galleries (pre-prod and production level). https://www.dpreview.com/samples/7882392080/panasonic-lumix-s1r-sample-galleries-updated Edited March 22, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share #157 Posted March 22, 2019 Link to S1R gallery: https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9627273872/panasonic-lumix-s1r-sample-gallery/2877284667 Link to S1 gallery: https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9191191786/panasonic-lumix-s1-sample-gallery/2628309840 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share #158 Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Here a few photos to give us an impression how the Sigma lenses will look on the S1/R. The lenses are relatively inexpensive and of high IQ with very wide apertures. Great. But regarding handling ... they are terribly big and look really awful, sorry. (Ridiculously big ?). The bad news is, that no matter if adapted (MC-21) or native, the size will be exactly the same. https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-l-mount-lenses-and-mc-21-converter-hands-on-photos-by-ephotozine/ Maybe later (in a few years ?) Sigma will prepare newly constructed (smaller ?) native lenses. One good thing, maybe the MC-21 will also work with some Canon lenses (it is not officially supported, but the MC-11 also has no support, but many EF lenses work anyway). Still big, but maybe just a bit smaller. Edited March 24, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share #159 Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) A new review of the Lumix S cameras. The author thinks the S1R with its high res mode is complete overkill. The S1 is for him the more interesting of the two cameras. https://www.digitaltrends.com/digital-camera-reviews/panasonic-lumix-s1r-review/ Edited March 26, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted March 27, 2019 Share #160 Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 9:21 PM, caissa said: Here a few photos to give us an impression how the Sigma lenses will look on the S1/R. The lenses are relatively inexpensive and of high IQ with very wide apertures. Great. But regarding handling ... they are terribly big and look really awful, sorry. (Ridiculously big ?). The bad news is, that no matter if adapted (MC-21) or native, the size will be exactly the same. https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-l-mount-lenses-and-mc-21-converter-hands-on-photos-by-ephotozine/ Maybe later (in a few years ?) Sigma will prepare newly constructed (smaller ?) native lenses. One good thing, maybe the MC-21 will also work with some Canon lenses (it is not officially supported, but the MC-11 also has no support, but many EF lenses work anyway). Still big, but maybe just a bit smaller. Wishful thinking territory. If you need/want small(ish) and fast lens (f1.4) than manual focus and use of M lens is and will be the only option. I suspect Summicrons L will be among the smallest AF L lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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