Chaemono Posted February 10, 2019 Share #21 Posted February 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 13 Minuten schrieb Paul Reading: ...they may have just created a bigger market for this lenses. Let’s face it everyone wants the best quality lens they can afford. Larger sensors demand better glass so this may just be a bonus for LEICA. Not afraid to buy and try an SL lens now. There will always be an eBay bid for it. The alliance makes the SL system more viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BernardC Posted February 10, 2019 Share #22 Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, chrismuc said: That really pushes Leica R&D to release a.s.a.p. a SL II with equivalent IQ & feature set. If you want precisely that feature set, you can put your money down on an S1r today and have it delivered to you shortly. Is the red dot that important to you? I hope that the next SL is different from the S1. The most obvious difference will probably be the interface, given that the Panasonics have buttons everywhere. Just as important, I think that Leica no longer has to "please everybody" with the SL, so they can make a camera that is perhaps under-featured, but so much more pleasant to use. That's been their forte for almost 100 years, so I don't think I am being unreasonable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2019 Share #23 Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 6:51 PM, Jeff S said: I’m confused...or he is. He initially mentions use of contrast detect AF (which I think is correct), but then keeps referring to phase detect. Jeff He was saying face detection, not phase detection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 10, 2019 Share #24 Posted February 10, 2019 56 minutes ago, AndyGarton said: He was saying face detection, not phase detection. Now that’s phunny! Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share #25 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) A lot of details about the S1R camera in this review followed by a hands-on report. https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-s1r/panasonic-s1rA.HTM Similar for the S1. https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-s1/panasonic-s1A.HTM Edited February 12, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share #26 Posted February 18, 2019 A new experience report of the Lumix S1R, also with lenses from Leica (SL90 and Noctilux). It is in German, but for non-German-speakers, some of the video examples are still understandable. 👍 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=842tX4CNMuo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share #27 Posted February 19, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) A broader view on the Lumix S cameras, mainly for video usage (long examples of neon construction, so difficult lighting conditions) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOJ0cheN_8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 19, 2019 Share #28 Posted February 19, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 4:54 PM, BernardC said: If you want precisely that feature set, you can put your money down on an S1r today and have it delivered to you shortly. Is the red dot that important to you? Well it might be quite important if Panasonic's version of Leica's in-camera software corrections for optical aberrations in SL lenses is different, or not as effective, or incompatible. Pete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share #29 Posted February 20, 2019 Low light performance of Lumix S1: https://www.cinema5d.com/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share #30 Posted February 20, 2019 Comparison of SL vs S1R: https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/leica-sl-vs-panasonic-s1r Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
V23 Posted February 20, 2019 Share #31 Posted February 20, 2019 For me it will be the other way around, Lumix S1 or S1R will become my main camera and my SL the backup. When SL fails it will be discarded and transition to Panasonic will be completed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted February 20, 2019 Share #32 Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, V23 said: For me it will be the other way around, Lumix S1 or S1R will become my main camera and my SL the backup. When SL fails it will be discarded and transition to Panasonic will be completed If the S1R turns out to be as good as the gradually arriving reviews seem to indicate, the SL will become my backup cam as well. I preordered the S1R and am patiently awaiting its release. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted February 21, 2019 Share #33 Posted February 21, 2019 vor 10 Stunden schrieb V23: For me it will be the other way around, Lumix S1 or S1R will become my main camera and my SL the backup. When SL fails it will be discarded and transition to Panasonic will be completed That’s sounds tough. Maybe the alliance wasn’t such a good idea after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 21, 2019 Share #34 Posted February 21, 2019 Has anyone seen mention of whether the new FF L-mount cameras from Panasonic, with their 47 MPx sensors, will operate in a "quarterframe" M43 mode in order to use some of the excellent lenses that have accumulated for the older Lumix cameras? After all, this is how the SL bridges in the CL/TL lenses, some of which are quite good, producing 10 MPx stills and Super35 video. The Olympus zooms (especially the 12-100 stabilized) are the reason that I still have my e-M1.2. Or is the register distance on an M43 too short to allow those lenses to work on an L-mount camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share #35 Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) The flange focal distance is 19.25mm for m43. Unfortunately it is 20mm for L-mount. 👎😥 Edited February 21, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share #36 Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) Pixel peeping the S1R files on the imaging resource site (vs Sony or Nikon): https://www.l-rumors.com/ Edited February 21, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 21, 2019 Share #37 Posted February 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Chaemono said: That’s sounds tough. Maybe the alliance wasn’t such a good idea after all. The Panasonics are the "latest and greatest" right now. Six months from now, the SL-2 will be the latest and greatest, and people will want to switch the other way. It's all good for the alliance, as long as customers keep buying! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #38 Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BernardC said: The Panasonics are the "latest and greatest" right now. Six months from now, the SL-2 will be the latest and greatest, and people will want to switch the other way. It's all good for the alliance, as long as customers keep buying! While I've never observed—in recent times—a statement of philosophy from Leica, having owned all of their mechanical cameras, and now many of their digital iterations, including the SL, I will take a swipe at its formulation. It appears to me that they have an ideology relating to the acronym, KISS (Keep it simple...). With that in mind, while the older and current models are wonderful machines, both in construction and in terms of their potential image output, the latest digital SL model has not provided the, if you will, bells and whistles offered by other manufacturers. And by bells and whistles, I am in part referring to dedicated, external controls for many frequently used functions. There will always be those who shun the multitude of buttons, levers, lens mounted aperture dials and other controls provided by some manufacturers , but for many of us these elements are essential, if not simply useful. If I am correct in my assessment of philosophy, the next SL iteration will likely follow suit in this regard. So will it be the "next latest and greatest?", I guess that will depend upon which camp you reside in, but if cost is a factor, and a larger sensor is in the offing, be prepared for a costly decision. Edited February 21, 2019 by ron777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 21, 2019 Share #39 Posted February 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, ron777 said: With that in mind, while the older and current models are wonderful machines, both in construction and in terms of their potential image output, the latest digital SL model has not provided the, if you will, bells and whistles offered by other manufacturers. And by bells and whistles, I am in part referring to dedicated, external controls for many frequently used functions. There will always be those who shun the multitude of buttons, levers, lens mounted aperture dials and other controls provided by some manufacturers , but for many of us these elements are essential, if not simply useful. That's a different UX philosophy. Nothing wrong with either approach. I prefer the Leica's designs with secondary function available only through the menu, unless you customize program a button to access them directly. As far as new features are concerned, the SL had many industry firsts: 10-bit video, professional-level mirrorless, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted February 21, 2019 Share #40 Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ron777 said: And by bells and whistles, I am in part referring to dedicated, external controls for many frequently used functions. There will always be those who shun the multitude of buttons, levers, lens mounted aperture dials and other controls provided by some manufacturers , but for many of us these elements are essential, if not simply useful. This is a Leica USP ..... if they covered the camera in buttons as you wish it would just be an expensive, big Sony, Nikon or Panasonic. Differentiating your product from the opposition corners a particular niche market .... which is my interpretation of Leica's marketing philosophy. They don't want, and would not be able to cope with a high demand broad appeal based product. Those who like precision German engineering and design, quality optics, simplicity and the cachet of the Leica name are always going to buy ...... and that means people with deep pockets .... or a deep emotional attachment to the brand and philosophy. If you based choice purely on the number of buttons, menu options and pixels you would never buy Leica. As I've said before ..... I will get and try an S1R and to use with my current SL until the SL2 appears ... and then I will decide what to keep and what to dispose of ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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