ropo54 Posted October 9, 2018 Share #101 Posted October 9, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) The point I was trying to make is that other companies offer very attractive deals to bring more new customers into the system. Fuji vs Leica vs something else is a personal choice. Why do you keep on with the drumbeat that you think other companies offer better deals? The marketplace will decide the worth of Leica's S line. Leica will soon find out; consumers will make their choices. A Rolls Royce is absurdly expensive for most. Notwithstanding some choose to pay the price. Rolls Royce will sink or swim in the marketplace. I suspect everyone following this forum is aware of your thoughts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Hi ropo54, Take a look here Leica S3 announced @ photokina. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kparseg Posted October 9, 2018 Share #102 Posted October 9, 2018 I suspect everyone following this forum is aware of your thoughts. Which doesn't make my thoughts wrong. And I'm sure that lots of forum readers support them. Not sure if I can say the same about your thoughts. And please, let's not compare Leica to RR, Ferrari etc. These cars have 2-year waiting list to get one. Can you say the same about Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted October 9, 2018 Share #103 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Which doesn't make my thoughts wrong. And I'm sure that lots of forum readers support them. Not sure if I can say the same about your thoughts. And please, let's not compare Leica to RR, Ferrari etc. These cars have 2-year waiting list to get one. Can you say the same about Leica? No, your thoughts may/may not be wrong, they are just repetitive. (How many times do you want to make the same complaint?) My thoughts? The market place will decide on Leica's pricing strategy. If the S3 is not for you, don't buy one, or, go with a preferable option. Edited October 9, 2018 by ropo54 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 9, 2018 Share #104 Posted October 9, 2018 And please, let's not compare Leica to RR, Ferrari etc. These cars have 2-year waiting list to get one. Can you say the same about Leica? Anyone who got on an S3 wait list upon announcement will likely wait 8 months or more before availability, and I imagine some have been on a dealer list for a year or more already. Same for the next M, Monochrom, etc. Wait lists are common for Leica’s GAS crowd. (I have ‘no dog in this fight’ otherwise.). Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted October 9, 2018 Share #105 Posted October 9, 2018 The S3 will sell, I doubt Leica would be making it of they hadn't done their marketing research and reached the conclusion that its worth the effort, a lot of people out there have a collection of S glass, and many of these people can afford the new S, personally I'm hanging onto my 007 for the foreseeable future. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 9, 2018 Share #106 Posted October 9, 2018 GAS is an anxiety disorder that needs to be alleviated instantly. Long waiting periods are not compatible with GAS symptoms. The disorder can be associated more with the Sony crowd that has been conditioned to lust after every iteration of the α7 -series and will probably soon be offered a chance to satisfy its craving with the α7R IV. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted October 9, 2018 Share #107 Posted October 9, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 hours ago, RVB said: The S3 will sell, I doubt Leica would be making it of they hadn't done their marketing research and reached the conclusion that its worth the effort, a lot of people out there have a collection of S glass, and many of these people can afford the new S, personally I'm hanging onto my 007 for the foreseeable future. Agreed Rob, the S3 is a good thing for Leica, the S system as a whole and its users whether we can all afford an S3 or not. Heck, even the S007 you’re using is too expensive for me 🙂 So I’ll just keep shooting happily with my S2-P knowing that there will be a (long) upgrade path in the future. Kind regards, Peter 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted October 10, 2018 Share #108 Posted October 10, 2018 10 hours ago, peterv said: Agreed Rob, the S3 is a good thing for Leica, the S system as a whole and its users whether we can all afford an S3 or not. Heck, even the S007 you’re using is too expensive for me 🙂 So I’ll just keep shooting happily with my S2-P knowing that there will be a (long) upgrade path in the future. Kind regards, Peter The CCD S cameras have beautiful color, I wish I kept mine!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2018 Share #109 Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 1:11 AM, Chaemono said: GAS is an anxiety disorder that needs to be alleviated instantly. Long waiting periods are not compatible with GAS symptoms. The disorder can be associated more with the Sony crowd that has been conditioned to lust after every iteration of the α7 -series and will probably soon be offered a chance to satisfy its craving with the α7R IV. whats GAS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 11, 2018 Share #110 Posted October 11, 2018 vor 2 Stunden schrieb NW67: whats GAS You wouldn’t know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2018 Share #111 Posted October 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chaemono said: You wouldn’t know. Would it have anything to do with the fluctuations in the oil price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 11, 2018 Share #112 Posted October 11, 2018 vor 56 Minuten schrieb NW67: Would it have anything to do with the fluctuations in the oil price As far as it affects one’s purchasing power , yes, the oil price may have an effect on GAS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanD Posted October 28, 2018 Share #113 Posted October 28, 2018 The GFX100S is now disclosed to have a $10K price point. Competition may be tough for the S3 if it is not priced competitively. The SL does OK at $6K, or 3x the price of an A73. So maybe the S3 could be 3x the price of a GFX50R at $13,500 and still make sense. But if the S3 is priced >20K, I am pretty sure there will just be a market to convert the S lenses into rehoused cinema lenses or a market for a S to GF smart adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted October 31, 2018 Share #114 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 5:25 AM, Chaemono said: As far as it affects one’s purchasing power , yes, the oil price may have an effect on GAS. That's funny given that Neil works on oil rigs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2018 Share #115 Posted October 31, 2018 Not any longer. Retired now, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuc Posted November 2, 2018 Share #116 Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 5:13 AM, AlanD said: The GFX100S is now disclosed to have a $10K price point. Competition may be tough for the S3 if it is not priced competitively. The SL does OK at $6K, or 3x the price of an A73. So maybe the S3 could be 3x the price of a GFX50R at $13,500 and still make sense. But if the S3 is priced >20K, I am pretty sure there will just be a market to convert the S lenses into rehoused cinema lenses or a market for a S to GF smart adapter. With a presumed price point over 20K, the S3 only will attract a few S/S2 owners to upgrade who invested already a lot in S lenses. But hardly any new potential customer would spend that amount of money if a GFX100S for less then half with 100MP, IBIS, PDAF points all across the sensor (plus face/eye detection), GF lenses in S quality for +/- half price (soon 3 zoom lenses plus 250mm + extender ...) a.s.o. is available. Same situation for Hasselblad mirrorless and PhaseOne XF100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted November 2, 2018 Share #117 Posted November 2, 2018 One of the things that appeals to me about Leica products is their simplicity for photography, the camera never gets in the way. Fuji/Sony etc all have many buttons, Leica has a simple photographers interface - the only settings changed on my cameras are ISO, mirror lock-up and very occasionally self-timer. What you say is probably true, but I have a significant collection of S equipment and have not been that impressed with the Sony 44 x 33 sensor, it is only 14 bit ..... john 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanD Posted November 2, 2018 Share #118 Posted November 2, 2018 Well I guess the question is what members here are willing to pay not broadly what people are willing to pay. For all that is said about ergonomics and buttons, the S2/006 is probably better than the 007 with the hard coded shutter dial. For ergonomics and artistry, the 007 as good as the S3, so you wouldn’t need to upgrade. (Which is where the anti Fuji mention doesn’t make as much sense). If it were $13K, I can see it selling well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted November 2, 2018 Share #119 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) I cannot wait to see the actual specs for the S3... The devil is really in those details... Albert 😚 Edited November 2, 2018 by albertknappmd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2018 Share #120 Posted November 2, 2018 5 hours ago, John McMaster said: One of the things that appeals to me about Leica products is their simplicity for photography, the camera never gets in the way. Fuji/Sony etc all have many buttons, Leica has a simple photographers interface - the only settings changed on my cameras are ISO, mirror lock-up and very occasionally self-timer. What you say is probably true, but I have a significant collection of S equipment and have not been that impressed with the Sony 44 x 33 sensor, it is only 14 bit ..... john I agree 100% about the ease of use of the S007........it just works, but I cant see myself spending another 20 plus grand to get the same thing with a few more megapixels. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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