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jonoslack
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Like lots of us I spend hours every day with my camera. I don't just look at the specs, I'm much much more interested in the experience of shooting. I don't want 26 pages of menus or 63 buttons. I act

jonoslack
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Hi There Martin The SL does use thinner sensor glass (as the T, TL and CL do).   But you don't need thinner sensor glass for SL lenses, and therefore there would be no need for Panasonic to do this

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The whole magazine is worth a read: http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf

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I feel like you are arguing with me, but somehow we aren't even talking about the same thing.  You are talking about intangibles and philosophic qualities like you believe that Leica has a patent on these - so therefore - the SL must have been made by Leica.  In other words - your "arguments" don't contain any proofs or examples.

 

Moreover, I don't understand what "response" to a camera has to do with whether or not Panasonic technology is used in the SL.
 

Finally, I never said the SL was "defined" by CDAF or Video.  I just used those features as examples of why I felt Panasonic had a role in the SL.  If you believe the SL is all Leica - then more power to you.  However, if you believe that, I think you have your head in the sand.  There is a lot of similar tech (similar to Panasonic) in the latest Leica cameras, and everyone knows they have a partnership.  So why is it so hard to believe that they didn't cooperate on the SL?

 

The funny thing is - I actually agree with your philosophical reasons for liking the Leica SL - but none of that proves that Panasonic had nothing to do with making the camera.

 

What is this Hasselblad Fuji thing you are talking about?  You lost me there.  

"Response to a camera"? I was simply addressing your comment that "the features inside scream Panasonic to me". That sounded like a 'response'.

 

I don't doubt that Panasonic had a role in the SL, providing components and technology. My post (check back and see) was arguing against those referred to in a post of yours "Many people have suspected that the SL is just a Panasonic camera in a Leica body" - if you're not one of those people, then I'm not arguing with you! 

 

AFAIK, and I have no inside knowledge, Hasselblad and Fuji co-operated in the designs that led to the production of their two separate but related medium format cameras. Their corporate connection goes back about 20 years, and is similar to the Leica Panasonic connection, though the companies have very different strengths.

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Maybe I am wrong but... 

 

... the name of the mount is "L", not "SL". L for Leica, Leica mount. 

 

The L mount has two types of lenses, SL lenses for FF and T/CL lenses for APS-C.

True, but it can adapt S lenses on the SL variant only. So there is some rationale to speak of an SL mount. ;)

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As I've said before - the design, body, and menus of the SL are ALL Leica.  I have no doubts believing that the SL was a Leica design.  However, I have doubts believing the video features in the SL have anything to do with Leica.  It's not impossible to think that Leica is responsible for the video features in the SL, but it is HIGHLY unlikely.  Also, with the SL having the first competent AF system in a Leica (and it being CDAF only), I strongly suspect this is Panasonic's doing as well.  I think the SL is an amazing piece of metal.  Along with the SL lenses it produces images with much more detail and micro-contrast than my other cameras (with higher resolution sensors).  However, the features inside scream Panasonic to me.

 

 

Not to me. Just shows how we respond differently to different cameras. 

 

The SL is defined for me neither by the CDAF nor video. Nor is it just an "amazing piece of metal". I don't use video, and you'll find as many detractors of the SL's AF here as fans (though I like it). The SL is defined by the form factor and balance with the lens, the minimalist UI, the responsiveness, the EVF, the lenses (with OIS), the speed of AFs, the IQ........in fact quite a lot really. What makes this a characteristic Leica is how all the components have been designed to work well together in a package that gets out of the the space between the photographer and the image. This is not a characteristic of most other manufacturers, and it is not defined by individual features.

 

The SL is not a Panasonic in Leica clothing.This new Panasonic might mean the SL2 is, though - we shall see. But the example of Hasselblad and Fuji's co-operation  could mean that the SL2 has as much resemblance to the L-Panasonic as the X1D does to the Fuji GFX. That is what I find interesting to think about!

 

 

I think you're actually agreeing with each other aren't you?

 

Sorry - this now appears irrelevant!

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Peter, over at Leica Rumors, has finally acknowledged this, and is throwing cold water on it, saying that none of his usual sources have heard anything, that some of it cannot make sense, and suggesting that even the websites announcing it are fraudulent, though if we read down, we learn that the new L website was created by a Leica employee. But Peter is still sticking by his doubts.

 

https://leicarumors.com/2018/09/21/what-leica-sigma-and-panasonic-to-release-a-new-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-with-sl-mount.aspx/#more-53900

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but if its actually true...then leica could sell a tonne of L mount lenses.

Peter, over at Leica Rumors, has finally acknowledged this, and is throwing cold water on it, saying that none of his usual sources have heard anything, that some of it cannot make sense, and suggesting that even the websites announcing it are fraudulent, though if we read down, we learn that the new L website was created by a Leica employee. But Peter is still sticking by his doubts.

 

https://leicarumors.com/2018/09/21/what-leica-sigma-and-panasonic-to-release-a-new-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-with-sl-mount.aspx/#more-53900

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or maybe instead SL/CL/TL users will by a ton of Sigma and Panasonic L mount lenses.....

 

That's better for Leica than if they buy Nikon, Sony, or Canon lenses!

 

If this rumour turns-out to be true, the real competition for Leica won't be Panasonic and Sigma, it will be the other FF systems.

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That's better for Leica than if they buy Nikon, Sony, or Canon lenses!

 

If this rumour turns-out to be true, the real competition for Leica won't be Panasonic and Sigma, it will be the other FF systems.

 

 

Only if they (Panasonic and Leica) are smart enough to work together as a team to complement each others strengths and not against one another by targeting each others market. It's is highly unlikely for them to work against each other though. Their markets are simply too different.

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I’m new to this site but intrigued by what may be announced at Photokina on Monday. The website leicarumours.com has just posted this teaser image from l-mount.com, a site registered to Willem Botha of Leica. Willem Botha is identified on LinkedIn as “Web Solutions Inhouse Consultant at Leica Camera AG”.

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

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Your words. :) So, please, since you don’t argue philosophically, only facts based, which generation Sony or Panasonic APS-C camera is the CL technically?

It seems to be the latest APS-C and AF system available.  The sensor has top notch dynamic range (beating some full frame cameras), and the C-AF is better than the SL and Q.

 

"Response to a camera"? I was simply addressing your comment that "the features inside scream Panasonic to me". That sounded like a 'response'.

 

I don't doubt that Panasonic had a role in the SL, providing components and technology. My post (check back and see) was arguing against those referred to in a post of yours "Many people have suspected that the SL is just a Panasonic camera in a Leica body" - if you're not one of those people, then I'm not arguing with you! 

 

AFAIK, and I have no inside knowledge, Hasselblad and Fuji co-operated in the designs that led to the production of their two separate but related medium format cameras. Their corporate connection goes back about 20 years, and is similar to the Leica Panasonic connection, though the companies have very different strengths.

Thanks for the clarification.  I hadn't heard about any cooperation between Hassy and Fuji on the latest MF offerings (That doesn't mean it I'm doubting you).  I know Fuji has made lenses for Hasselblad in the past, so given your suggestion that they cooperated on their cameras, it seems odd that Fuji didn't make the lenses for the X1D.  

 

I think you're actually agreeing with each other aren't you?

 

Sorry - this now appears irrelevant!

I was very confused.  I actually did asked myself "Is he agreeing with me, or arguing with me?"

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Peter, over at Leica Rumors, has finally acknowledged this, and is throwing cold water on it, saying that none of his usual sources have heard anything, that some of it cannot make sense, and suggesting that even the websites announcing it are fraudulent, though if we read down, we learn that the new L website was created by a Leica employee. But Peter is still sticking by his doubts.

 

https://leicarumors.com/2018/09/21/what-leica-sigma-and-panasonic-to-release-a-new-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-with-sl-mount.aspx/#more-53900

I asked Peter why he hadn't mentioned any of this, and he responded by posting that his sources weren't mentioning anything about it.  However, the website (created by Leica) that had a teaser up, and then removed it...there is smoke there.

 

So, it’s gonna be watches, again!

This is so funny, and not funny at the same time.  I was not a fan of that announcement!  Watches instead the rumored CM...not cool

Thanks for the chuckle though

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A very interesting angle could be the lenses which Panasonic and / or Sigma could come up with. APSC TL lens selection has been limited for a while now (23mm F1.4 and 24-70mm F2 or F2.8)would be most appreciated...

 

In the meantime Panny and Sigma might be able to fill that gap. 

 

Or if we could just get an auto-focusing M adapter for the L mount and I'll just shut up...

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