lucerne Posted August 21, 2018 Share #21 Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Yeah, that’s well and fine but this kind of pisses me off, they should have got this right in the first place on the original M10, they know how important that aspect is to photographers. In one year I convinced 4 people to shell out money for an M10 and associated glass. I have news for you, that ship has sailed folks, if asked about what camera to get at this point I am sending people elsewhere. Have you remembered how you waxed lyrical about the M10 in your posts six months ago. Nothing has changed. Not all of us are happy to upgrade every six months. That’s just what the Leica marketing machine want us to do. Edited August 21, 2018 by lucerne 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted August 21, 2018 Share #22 Posted August 21, 2018 In one year I convinced 4 people to shell out money for an M10 and associated glass. I have news for you, that ship has sailed folks, if asked about what camera to get at this point I am sending people elsewhere. This M10P was easily predictable from a rudimentary understanding of digital M model history. Your friends might instead question your knowledge of Leica history and, more importantly, your reaction to this largely non-event. Did their or your superb cameras and lenses stop working? But I’m not surprised; forum reactions every 3 years or so are equally predictable. Here’s an inside tip... an M11 will likely come in a year or so. And probably an M10 Monochrom before that. Spread the news. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 21, 2018 Share #23 Posted August 21, 2018 ... an M11 will likely come in a year or so. And an M11-P eighteen months after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 21, 2018 Share #24 Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) The only real upgrade is the shutter. And how relevant is that in a time that nearly all cameras have electronic ones? The artificial horizon is just rectifying an omission. Does the artificial horizon add clutter to the viewfinder? ... and is there any menu item that allows us to turn off all the viewfinder LEDs? Most, perhaps all these viewfinder LED displays are just stupid distractions! Edited August 21, 2018 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 21, 2018 Share #25 Posted August 21, 2018 Does the artificial horizon add clutter to the viewfinder? ... and is there any menu item that allows us to turn off all the viewfinder LEDs? Artificial horizon seen only when use liveview. Unlikely not cluttering the optical viewfinder. LED off, I don't think so (even if I'd appreciate the feature). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted August 21, 2018 Share #26 Posted August 21, 2018 Come on, presumably you were happy with the way the M10 was to buy it yourself and encourage others to buy it also. The new camera hasn't changed your M10, it's still the same camera you bought. I'm sure the next M camera will have more improvements over the M10-P, just as the M10 did over the M9. Your logic can only lead to madness! Firstly, the issue I have is with Leica, not anyone on this forum. Secondly, the one area for concern I had when both trying out and my initial use of the M10 was the sharper shutter noise, a noticeable step down from the M240 I had. If there is one thing I have found in shooting probably over a million photos in this line of work is that it is not always how loud a device is but it’s pitch that can go from being just noticeable to annoying. You just learn to read body language over time. So after one year of using the M10, I simply get more annoyed looks in those types of settings than I used to. It’s not a deal breaker, just less hang time in these situations that could otherwise be bearing more fruit. Other than that, the M10 has been a really nice upgrade for me and will continue to be. And before anyone suggests going mirrorless to make real gains in that area, I would only consider Nikon or Leica in that realm at this point due to overall system integration. But ultimately I want to use Leica for this niche role. Here is why I am taking this personal though and do draw the line at the price of the M10-P. In the past year, my wife and I for a host of reasons have started to really engage in what I would refer to as sole proprietor level Corporate Social Responsibility. So basically we are doing away with unneeded consumerism and instead diverting those funds to three separate strata of philanthropy and hands on activism. It’s been really rewarding and is truly the right thing to do. So when Leica ratchets the price up to eight grand on a tool that has exactly the improvement I was wanting in the M10, my Leica friends I am just over it, I am not going to take those funds away from people I can be helping. I’ll certainly enjoy working within the audible limitations of what my M10 affords and really look forward to what Nikon announces in the mirrorless realm. But when it comes to buying another new Leica offering at current price points, my conscious cries uncle, I’m out! Enjoy your Leica cameras in good health my friends! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 21, 2018 Share #27 Posted August 21, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1. It may not be the best value for money, as more highly featured camera models go, but the standard M10 is still in the program at the old price. No ratcheting up prices is involved. 2. This has very little if anything to do with consumerism. Nobody is being forced to buy an M10 or M10P. Although it is laudable that you and your wife are giving back to society, basically the allocation of one's income is a highly personal decision. I might add that the price of a Leica is not very exorbitant compared to other hobbies -or professional tools for that matter. Golf clubs, boat maintenance, racing bicycles, musical instruments, holidays, you name it - getting "the best on the market (FWIIW)", all will take a larger bite out of your income than Leica does. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted August 22, 2018 Share #28 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) The initial price on the M10 was just under $6,600, the initial price on the M10-P is just under $8,000, that is what I mean by ratcheting up the price. Anyway I am no longer interested in new Leica products so I am no longer interested in further discussion. Happy shooting everyone! Edited August 22, 2018 by Reciprocity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 22, 2018 Share #29 Posted August 22, 2018 Nobody is forcing you to buy an M10P. You can decide which model to get, if at all. Ratcheting up the price would apply to the same model without alternative. And even then you should take the price in Euros in consideration, not in ISD. The calculation of the price in other currencies is quite complicated, not only taking the daily exchange rate into account, but the price of insuring against fluctuations as well. With trade wars threatening, the price of newly introduced European products is likely to rise beyond proportion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 22, 2018 Share #30 Posted August 22, 2018 The initial price on the M10 was just under $6,600, the initial price on the M10-P is just under $8,000, that is what I mean by ratcheting up the price. Anyway I am no longer interested in new Leica products so I am no longer interested in further discussion. Happy shooting everyone! M 10 was launched at $6500 where I shop, compared to $6950 for the M240 launch. You got a bargain. After launch, the M10 reverted to the roughly $7k ‘norm’. The M240 P was launched at $7950, roughly the same as the M10P. No ratcheting upward... merely consistently high to start. Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 22, 2018 Share #31 Posted August 22, 2018 I’d suggest we stop feeding this one. Reciprocity, we all have our reasons for the choices we make. Good luck with Nikon - the Z6 & Z7 sound really interesting. Just be prepared for Nikon to upgrade these models, and to offer something you may or may not have realised you needed more frequently than the next Leica release. You do realise that new models arrive, with improvements and upgrades, right? But then taking a million shots, I guess you will wear cameras out, so replacement will be on the cards anyway. Best. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted August 22, 2018 Share #32 Posted August 22, 2018 I’d suggest we stop feeding this one. I hope by this you don’t mean I was trolling, because if so that is pretty uncalled for considering the personal insights I gave above. I love my M10, I will use it in the role I bought it for regardless of what Nikon comes out with because I just connect better with the world with an optical viewfinder and frankly the Leica M way of making images. But I do feel given my frustration with the price point of this new offering that I might be best off if I stay away from here for awhile. I guess it is time to log out and get on with life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 22, 2018 Share #33 Posted August 22, 2018 I'm selling an upgrade kit for the M10 to make it 'M10-P compatible'. For $10 you get a square of black tape to cover the red dot, one of those fluorescent green bubble levels to go in the hot shoe, a selection of sticky finger print decals to upgrade the LCD to the effect of 'touch screen', and enough germs to catch a bad cold so you can cough and mask the loud shutter sound. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted August 22, 2018 Share #34 Posted August 22, 2018 To get this back on topic: I stopped at Leica San Francisco today (here on holiday) to see the M10-P. It's the first time I've held an M10 and that in itself was interesting. I compared it to my 240 and the M10 is much more compact than I expected. The shutter was very quiet. On a scale of 1 to 10, with an M3 being a 10 and the 240 being 1, I'd rate it at 8. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted August 22, 2018 Share #35 Posted August 22, 2018 … I would only consider Nikon or Leica in that realm at this point due to overall system integration. But ultimately I want to use Leica for this niche role. Anyway I am no longer interested in new Leica products … That was a quick U-turn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted August 22, 2018 Share #36 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) . Edited August 22, 2018 by otto.f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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