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Who are these beach photographers using Leica 250's ?

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#1 Pyrogallol

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 15:29

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A friend is researching English seaside beach photographers. 

Recently we acquired some Kodachrome slides of two beach photographers using their Leica 250's, probably in the late 1950's or early 60's. On the kiosk leaflet display are advertisments for the Channel Island of Jersey.

 

Does anyone recognise who they are or where they are?

 

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 17:16

I recalled seeing this website about seaside photographers. The Barkers who operated in Lowestoft and Great Yarmouth ( which do not fit with the Channel Islands) had 6 Leica 250s, but there is a list of other operators on the right hand side which you may wish to search.

 

https://gohomeonapos...rs-the-cameras/

 

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:13

Very interesting.  I have heard that a similar use of the Leica 250 was common in New York, for both beaches and street photographers. Walking about and taking peoples photos for a price, getting the subjects name or address, and later developing and delivering the photo to the customer.  The 250 shots, of course, an advantage for a full days shooting. This heavy near constant use reminds us that many of these cameras were probably worn out and a lower than average remaing percentage are still with us.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 09:44

And it is interesting to remind that the original idea of the Leica 250, comes from a Belgian photographer who was in charge of reporting the religious ceremonies where hundreds of kids made either their first communion or received their "confirmation" from the Cardinal of Belgium in the city of Malines (Mechelen in Flemish). He received the two prototypes serialled 114051 and 52. Both remained in Belgium, one (the chrome plated nº114052 in strictly original condition) in my former Fontenelle collection, the other, nº114051, black painted and unfortunately later brought to "250 standards", in my friend Jean-Paul Bachely's collection.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 12:17

I read the article about the Barkers. It talks about the University of East Anglia public photographic collection being sold off including the donated Leica 250 Reporters.

 

I lent a quite rare camera, a 1914 vintage  WW1 military version of a Richards Verascope aerial stereo camera (uses a magazine containing 10 x 100mm by 35mm unperforated film strips), to a local museum for a WW1 exhibition they were running in 2014. The museum was supposed to return it to me by post at the end of the exhibition. I have to admit I forgot about it for close to a year, before I went back to reclaim my camera. After a bit of searching, they eventually found it a few days later in a bunch of surplus items that were about to be sent off for auction. There were some rather red faces among the museum staff, as they tried to explain why they were trying to sell my property, which was clearly marked in Dymo tape on the back: "loan item from Mr. Wilson Laidlaw" with my contact details.

 

I would imagine folk who donated items to the University of East Anglia's photographic collection, were equally upset when they found it had all been sold off, no doubt to fund new carpets and furniture in the admin block or the exorbitant salaries of the vice chancellors. 

 

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 18:58

Thanks to willeica and wlaidlaw for mentioning the Barkers connection, I put a link to it in a previous posting on the subject of Leica 250’s.
It was my friend Paul who wrote the Barkers story. His main line of research is on seaside photographers and he now has the slides posted here that we are trying to find out more about.

Reading about the 1914 WW1 camera made me think about the album of photographs I copied from another friend who’s uncle had been an official photographer in the Royal Flying Corps / Royal Air Force during WW1. While there is no connection with Leica I might post a couple of pictures from the album, there is a rare surviving photo taken with a Hythe gun camera used to train fighter pilots and a picture of the photographic unit’s mobile studio/darkroom.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 19:08

Thanks to willeica and wlaidlaw for mentioning the Barkers connection, I put a link to it in a previous posting on the subject of Leica 250’s.
It was my friend Paul who wrote the Barkers story. His main line of research is on seaside photographers and he now has the slides posted here that we are trying to find out more about.

Reading about the 1914 WW1 camera made me think about the album of photographs I copied from another friend who’s uncle had been an official photographer in the Royal Flying Corps / Royal Air Force during WW1. While there is no connection with Leica I might post a couple of pictures from the album, there is a rare surviving photo taken with a Hythe gun camera used to train fighter pilots and a picture of the photographic unit’s mobile studio/darkroom.

 

There was a Hythe Camera Gun Mk.3 in my school's army cadet corps armoury. It looked like a Lewis Gun and it used 120 film. I tried to get it to work but something was broken. I wonder what happened to it? At that time in the early 1960's we also had 3 Bren light machine guns, a Lewis gun with no ammunition drum and a supposedly working Vickers heavy machine gun but no belts to use it with, plus loads of old Sten sub machine guns. All secured by a 2 lever lock on a wooden door? A more innocent time. 

 

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 19:18

It might be worth contacting the Archives Department in Jersey - more than likely that if there were people shooting lots of images, then some will have ended up in the archives and their photographers will be 'known' to the staff.


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 15:21

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Here are copies from the album showing the photographers' Leyland mobile laboratory, you can see a water tank on the roof for processing films/paper and a vent for the heater/darkroom oil lamp? (reminds me of the picture of Roger Fenton's van in the Crimean War) and the page with original prints from the Hythe Gun Camera.

 

The only tenuous connection with Leica is that if the First World War had not interrupted Barnack's design of his miniature camera we might have had a Leica 1 in 1915 instead of a decade later.

 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 16:44

The broken Hythe Camera Gun at our school armoury, had a more sophisticated reticle than the one in your photo, with cross wires and distance rings (maybe lead for crossing targets) a bit like the one below but with a marked scale on the top arm and one side arm of the cross hairs. The reticle, which sat in the film compartment had adjustable stops and leaf springs to hold it against the stops. How you adjusted it to match the sights was a mystery to us. Now with the internet, you could probably find a user and service manual for it. 

 

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 01:13

My Leica 250 was one of 2 used by a Sydney photographer post war in George Street.

The other was in terrible condition so I selected the least worn copy.

The original f=5cm  3.5 lens is attached and the black paint very well worn.

The knurling on the chrome wind on knob is worn down at the top and is almost smooth showing the brass beneath.

Definitely not a collectors pristine piece but has history.

My second 250 is a bit of a mystery.

It is converted to a white dial 111F and has a flash synch on top between Ernst Leitz and the line below Wetzlar.

It has a T.H Xenon fitted.

I remember the photographers at Martin Place and George Street with cameras but was too young to realise that they were Leicas, let alone 250s.

If only we could go back in time to confirm all these missing details.

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 01:37

Any chance of photos or at least serial numbers of these rare cameras?  Thanks.



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Posted 16 August 2018 - 02:09

attachicon.gifRFC Leyland Photographic Laboratory 1916.jpg

 

 

Here are copies from the album showing the photographers' Leyland mobile laboratory, you can see a water tank on the roof for processing films/paper and a vent for the heater/darkroom oil lamp? (reminds me of the picture of Roger Fenton's van in the Crimean War) and the page with original prints from the Hythe Gun Camera.

 

The only tenuous connection with Leica is that if the First World War had not interrupted Barnack's design of his miniature camera we might have had a Leica 1 in 1915 instead of a decade later.

 

attachicon.gifHythe Gun Camera.jpg

 

Thank you for posting these, they are wonderful! If they are frowned upon here they would be allowed, and welcomed, I'm sure, in the I Love Film Thread in Other.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 07:39

I have posted on another thread but I am looking for a drawing of the Leitz, Newark film trimming template for the 250 or to borrow one of these to get drawings made. I would then ask my son to 3D print in metal, a simple trimming template i.e. not a hinged one but just a flat plate with two sprocket hole pegs or maybe two plates one with pegs and one with holes to fit over each other with the film for trimming, sandwiched between. 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 03:40

Hi Alan,

The first 250 body is #260011 with Elmar in metres with old f stop sequence but no serial number.

The white dial is #260089 with Xenon 3 ring # 288396.

Both cameras seem to be in the 1937 production batch.

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