Leica M is too big.

[jankap]

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A very thin combo.

Jan

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[Paulus]

There is a M9 with Prerar 28mm for sale.

A very thin combo.

Jan

 

An M9 has interchangeable lenses so is forbidden...so it's a no go.

I was looking at a Sony RX1, it doesn't have interchangeble lenses, but I don't know if it fits the "Pocketcamera " profile: I don't know if it's to big and heavy.

We let the guards decide. I have some friends who were planning to visit the museum with the Rx1 so we'll see whats happens. 

[jdlaing]

An M9 has interchangeable lenses so is forbidden...so it's a no go.

I was looking at a Sony RX1, it doesn't have interchangeble lenses, but I don't know if it fits the "Pocketcamera " profile: I don't know if it's to big and heavy.

We let the guards decide. I have some friends who were planning to visit the museum with the Rx1 so we'll see whats happens.

 

RX1 is juuuuust a tad large for a pocket cam.

[ECohen]

The problem is _not_ the protuding lens but the distance visitors should keep to exposed objects. An adivice to keep 1m distance would solve all these problems for all types of cameras.

 

The point is that the Museum has been burned by irresponsible folks with cameras. Generally rules aren't "fair" to all, they are enacted to solve a bigger problem. In this case irresponsible people damaging the Art and the rule works.

 

Choose a different museum who's rules  benefit you. There are plenty of them. Life is too short to try to work around and "trick" the words. Your going to end up fighting with guards that have a simple job to do. ...but I know.... we have a lot of lawyers on this forum.

The problem is as simple as going to a different Museum and take photos with your Leica. Does this one have to be your location?

Work within the rules and enjoy the Art,  buy the book and patronize a place that wants you and welcomes you

This Museum doesn't want you because your camera is too big

 

You could buy a great pocket camera .... but I'd skip this place.....you've already experienced their Art.

 

Why shop where your not wanted?

Edited May 5, 2018 by ECohen

[otto.f]

The problem is _not_ the protuding lens but the distance visitors should keep to exposed objects. An adivice to keep 1m distance would solve all these problems for all types of cameras.

Which is quite normal in many musea like Rijksmuseum, Mauritshuis in Holland and in some parts of the Louvre as well. But it depends where we’re talking about, paintings or sculpture. I like sculptures to stand free and not being bounded by gates or threads (not only because it makes photography less interesting).

Edited May 5, 2018 by otto.f

[otto.f]

The problem is _not_ the protuding lens but the distance visitors should keep to exposed objects. An adivice to keep 1m distance would solve all these problems for all types of cameras.

Which is quite normal in many musea like Rijksmuseum, Mauritshuis in Holland and in some parts of the Louvre as well

This afternoon I got an email from the director. He explained how people behaved with cameras and that artworks , in the past, were damaged due to it. This is the reason why he will not allow any camera with an interchangeable lenses. An interchangeable lens can be harmful because the protruding lens can impact on the artwork and the lenses can be interchanged with lenses which are big enough to do serious damage, according to the director. 

 

He will still permit photographing in his museum, but will not take those risks anymore. To stop the discussion of the protruding lens and how big it must not be, he abolishes all cameras with interchangeable lenses. So far I can follow his argument and I must agree with it. He has IMHO as point. There are some brutal people walking around in musea. 

 

The director choses for telephones and "pocketcameras". No great harm can be done by this kind........but what's a pocketcamera?

 

I doubt whether you wouldn’t have been forbidden to photograph with a Leica Q

[auceps]

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Thank You again Paulus for patience and for this profund investigation!

 

To keep a safe dinstance from the artwork wihle photographing would help - provide You have visitors who respect such an advice.

 

I completely understand the director of the museum who has to protect the artwork from damages caused by ignorant people. No serious photographer would use a long tele for taking a picture from very short distances. The calculation of the lens is not done for that.

 

Let me close the discussion with a bonmot: a LEICA-M is handy but not a HANDY!

[Paulus]

 

The point is that the Museum has been burned by irresponsible folks with cameras. Generally rules aren't "fair" to all, they are enacted to solve a bigger problem. In this case irresponsible people damaging the Art and the rule works.

 

Choose a different museum who's rules  benefit you. There are plenty of them. Life is too short to try to work around and "trick" the words. Your going to end up fighting with guards that have a simple job to do. ...but I know.... we have a lot of lawyers on this forum.

The problem is as simple as going to a different Museum and take photos with your Leica. Does this one have to be your location?

Work within the rules and enjoy the Art,  buy the book and patronize a place that wants you and welcomes you

This Museum doesn't want you because your camera is too big

 

You could buy a great pocket camera .... but I'd skip this place.....you've already experienced their Art.

 

Why shop where your not wanted?

 

 

Thank you Eric for your advise. The guards know me from over 15 years of visiting this museum for work or pleasure. " Mostly harmless"  is the frase which will come in their minds. ( Like in  "The Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.".) When they argue with me.

 

The museum is only 5 minutes cycle from my house so I will keep visiting it.  For a small provincial town,their permanent collection and their  frequent exhibitions of modern art and a lot of Photo art is from an European/ World  level.

 

The upper discussing is not so much for proving I am right, but more as a discussion in clarity I believe.

 

Of course I want to take pictures with my beloved M cameras but I will gladly sacrifice this pleasure in order to keep this museum the way it is, without borders, fences and a guard next to every work of art. 

 

I'm sure you would agree with me, if you would visit this place together with your lovely daughter. I will be there to accompany you!  My pictures of people in musea will be made somewhere else:   https://pauljoostenfotograaf.smugmug.com/Exhibitions-/Raymond-Loewy-exhibition/

Edited May 6, 2018 by Paulus

[ECohen]

Ahhhh  I now completely understand you wanting to continue to shoot there. Get a smaller camera that fits the rules. Shoot there a lot, make a donation to the Museum, endear yourself to the curator.  Give them your pictures to see and use,they are wonderful .....volunteer.  Then once they love you and trust you, ask if you can use a different camera......play the long game.
But I know you have already thought of this. Keep us posted I know what its like to love a local Museum.

Best of Luck

[CropDusterMan]

What would Garry Winogrand say?

[Paulus]

Still, I get more understanding for the director. Some public is really stupid! Look what Happened in my town this week in the Safaripark, where you are to be sitting and staying in your car with the windows shut!

 

https://youtu.be/eje1RJKKDdw

[wpm]

We went to the Rijksmuseum a few weeks ago and my camera stayed in the bag. I came to look at and enjoy the artwork, the real stuff.

What amazed us, shouldn't have I guess, were the number of people crowding the paintings, mostly the Vermeers, to take cell phone pics

as well as imposing themselves into the painting with selfies. How about seeing the artwork? More than one person shoved themselves

in front of my wife and I to immortalize themselves with Vermeer. Ridiculous.

[Peter Kilmister]

A quick update on my visit to Highgrove last week, the police are charming and dressed like 1950's era policemen. (Political correctness didn't exist then and there were no women police officers until later so I am using the correct term for the age.)

No guns, no hi-viz jackets, no chequered bands on their hats. Really old-fashioned 'Bobbies' wearing Gloucestershire Constabulary uniforms.

 

The lady who gave us the tour said that if anyone tried to take a picture she would take away the offending phone or camera and the perpetrator would be removed from the estate. She said the reason was simple. Prince Charles needs total security, as do his sons and their families. I respect that. It is a mad world.

 

That was it. Everyone complied. Probably because group visits are mainly from the Womens Institute or Gardening Clubs there were none of the usual tourist buses.

Everyone has to book months ahead with individuals' names and addresses. That keeps out the usual mob of coach tours.

 

Anyway, the gardens are magnificent and well worth a visit. Lunch was wholesome and very tasty. 

 

The cost of entry all goes to charity which is spent by the Prince's Trust all over the world on worthwhile ventures.

 

A few hours without my Leica can sometimes reap great rewards.   

[jaapv]

Still, I get more understanding for the director. Some public is really stupid! Look what Happened in my town this week in the Safaripark, where you are to be sitting and staying in your car with the windows shut!

 

https://youtu.be/eje1RJKKDdw

However, it was nothing like as dramatic as the media (and viral Internet) made out. Cheetahs are no threat to humans and easily domesticated, which animals in a Safari Park certainly are.