stunsworth Posted July 5, 2007 Share #41 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) In other words, it is a forum WITHOUT images that 'indicates more of an interest in cameras than in photography.' The 'forum' has a photo section whose English language section has almost 11,000 threads. Sure they are of variable quality, but taken in conjunction with the number of reponses to those threads, that indicates to me that this is a forum - note not an 'M8 forum' - that has a high interest in photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #42 Posted July 5, 2007 The 'forum' has a photo section whose English language section has almost 11,000 threads. Sure they are of variable quality, but taken in conjunction with the number of reponses to those threads, that indicates to me that this is a forum - note not an 'M8 forum' - that has a high interest in photography. Sorry, my sloppy use of language Steve: what I meant was that a SUBFORUM without images 'indicates more of an interest in cameras than in photography'. It's just an opinion, we can't prove anything here obviously - and I'm sure that there's an argument to have a subforum for bags and one for Luigi cases and one for people who want advice on ISO1250 and so on. It's just my opinion that we're all using the same camera, many of the same lenses and facing many of the same technical issues so why not share the pictures that result from it all?! T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2007 Share #43 Posted July 5, 2007 The problem that such a narrow camera range as M8 only is that there are not enough strong and adventurous image makers to make it interesting............ holiday and family happy snaps are the domain of the individual, family and friends very few outsiders will be interested, That is where the forum will lose it's relevence, unfortunatly there is a track record of this existing already. Anyway you guys will decide if you are more interested in making a "boys club"..... if this happens things will become even narrower.............. other than that ........shrug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 5, 2007 Share #44 Posted July 5, 2007 Remember that not anybody can use dsl or other fast web connections all day long. Pictures take too long to load when i'm in some hotels or in my country house for instance, so please guys be kind enough to post your great pics in the Photo forum if they're not usefull to explain what you mean here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest licht Posted July 5, 2007 Share #45 Posted July 5, 2007 I think pictures are posted in the M8-Forum because you can write "I know the picture isn´t really great but it is taken with the M8 in the wonderful Luigi Halfcase and the Ultra-Summi-Nocti-Lux". So they get answers "Luigi Halfcases are really wonderful I have 7 of them", "The Ultra-Summi-Nocti-Lux has rich colors and superb micro-contrast", etc. If the post in the fotoforum it´s just an other average family snapshot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2007 Share #46 Posted July 5, 2007 M8 in the wonderful Luigi Halfcase...........yea Luigi does a great full case for a sensor I hear, but his leather is pretty shitty as optics which is a real bummer.....:cool:er easy load image Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/28230-about-posting-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=298632'>More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 5, 2007 Share #47 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think pictures are posted in the M8-Forum because you can write"I know the picture isn´t really great but it is taken with the M8 in the wonderful Luigi Halfcase and the Ultra-Summi-Nocti-Lux". So they get answers "Luigi Halfcases are really wonderful I have 7 of them", "The Ultra-Summi-Nocti-Lux has rich colors and superb micro-contrast", etc. If the post in the fotoforum it´s just an other average family snapshot... This is the funniest and the truest thing that i think i ever read on the forum. I actually burst out laughing - which got some funny looks i can tell you! Absolutely spot on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2007 Share #48 Posted July 5, 2007 I think the answer is far more simple: The Digital forums: 90 viewing, the photoforums together 11 viewing. It is our own fault for putting gear ahead of photographs.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #49 Posted July 5, 2007 I think the answer is far more simple: The Digital forums: 90 viewing, the photoforums together 11 viewing. It is our own fault for putting gear ahead of photographs.... ~Thank you for putting my point more succinctly that I could! I like the evidence-based approach, too! ;-) Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 5, 2007 Share #50 Posted July 5, 2007 At the risk of offering a logical solution, why not just use the tags function? Tag your images with "M8" when you post them in the photo forum, search for "M8" when you want to see them. I also agree with LCT that not everyone is on a hyperspeed connection. I often drop in with my 'phone and images then are a pain. I don't have a downer on digital, but I don't own or want an M8, so I come into the M8 ghetto rarely. When I do, and I see threads like this, I can't help but feel sad that for some people the tool is more important than the end result. To each their own. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 5, 2007 Share #51 Posted July 5, 2007 But truthfully, what is the point then of subdividing fora into different sections? If tashley's approach is taken to its logical conclusion, then my flippant posts above would come true - there really is then no point in having different sections for different purposes... I'm still interested in the technical and illuminating discussions around the M8 (although now I've bought an M6 and an M7, my interest is more towards the eventual release of the M9, and the issues relevant to that), but more and more recently the M8 threads have been filled with truly mediocre snapshots. Now say what you like about how users can just ignore those threads, but frankly I'd say that the general level of the M8 forum is being dragged down by the incessant posting of fast-car snapshots and the like, which generally looked to me no better than what i can see posted on a cars classified page. If that's the sort of forum this is going to turn into, so be it. But personally I prefer the more mature level of intelligent discussion that can be found here - together with the often excellent images on the photo forum! PS: for those who don't know what they're missing, i was recently struck by a great image in the Photo section, and posted a comment which was promptly answered by the photographer. Later that same day, as I turned the pages of LFI, I could see that the same photographer is featured in next month's issue! Get over there and forget about the equipment sometimes! You'll learn more than you think! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #52 Posted July 5, 2007 At the risk of offering a logical solution, why not just use the tags function? Tag your images with "M8" when you post them in the photo forum, search for "M8" when you want to see them. I also agree with LCT that not everyone is on a hyperspeed connection. I often drop in with my 'phone and images then are a pain. I don't have a downer on digital, but I don't own or want an M8, so I come into the M8 ghetto rarely. When I do, and I see threads like this, I can't help but feel sad that for some people the tool is more important than the end result. To each their own. Regards, Bill Images threads could contain (PIX) in the subject so as not to strain narrowband connections. And the twist of logic whereby those who want to post and view more pictures are seen somehow as more gear-headed than those that don't, relies on the false assumption that they only want to view M8 images. I want to view images regardless of what they were made with, but given that this is called the M8 forum it seems relevant that the images produced by the M8 should be the main course here. All these distinctions are going to be a little arbitrary (there used not to be an M8 forum, now there is, which is the right way to do it?) but surely it's not a crime to show a photo in a photography forum? Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2007 Share #53 Posted July 5, 2007 Threads with images have a little paperclip in the rating column, so can be avoided when so desired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #54 Posted July 5, 2007 But truthfully, what is the point then of subdividing fora into different sections? If tashley's approach is taken to its logical conclusion, then my flippant posts above would come true - there really is then no point in having different sections for different purposes... I think we may have differing views of what is logical: either there should be no subdivision (the logic you attribute incorrectly to me!) or the lines of the fora are exactly right where they are (in which case they were 'wrong' when there was no M8 sub-forum) or the lines of the fora might yet be tweaked so as to be even more useful to the balance of the user community. My point is starting this thread was quite clearly that I champion the third of these routes and was interested to see who else might agree. ...my interest is more towards the eventual release of the M9, and the issues relevant to that), but more and more recently the M8 threads have been filled with truly mediocre snapshots. I for one (call me old fashioned) would prefer to have a mix of technical information sharing and image sharing from a camera that is actually in production than a merely hypothetical discussion about the technical possibilities of one that does not exist. Now say what you like about how users can just ignore those threads, but frankly I'd say that the general level of the M8 forum is being dragged down by the incessant posting of fast-car snapshots and the like, which generally looked to me no better than what i can see posted on a cars classified page. If that's the sort of forum this is going to turn into, so be it. But personally I prefer the more mature level of intelligent discussion that can be found here - together with the often excellent images on the photo forum! Does no one who posts on the photo forum ever offend your particular aesthetic? I know from previous posts of yours that you have extremely good taste in images and it must be like feeding junk food to a gourmet when images of fast cars are pumped your way: but had you stopped to consider that if you direct them all to the photo forum, it will dilute the quality of what you enjoy there? Best Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 5, 2007 Share #55 Posted July 5, 2007 Threads with images have a little paperclip in the rating column, so can be avoided when so desired. But this wasn't the point at all. Images can be illustrative of a point, or truthfully illuminatory regarding a lens characteristic or a camera idiosyncrasy. But they can also be a gratuitous holiday snapshot masquerading as a 'lens appraisal'. Now while it seems that the snapshot threads can be enormously popular, I think they're leading to a deterioration of the usefulness of the site. Just my personal opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted July 5, 2007 Share #56 Posted July 5, 2007 There are those on this site that despise digital and especially the M8. They will only shoot film and will give you all the reasons why film is better. The best way to start winning those people over is by posting M8 stuff that speaks for itself - in the forums those people expect to see photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 5, 2007 Share #57 Posted July 5, 2007 but had you stopped to consider that if you direct them all to the photo forum, it will dilute the quality of what you enjoy there? tashley - i'm sorry i may have misinterpreted your intentions. But to address this particular point, I really feel that a great mass of the mediocre images that we've seen recently would never be posted on the Photo forum (as was stated above by licht), because then the traditional defense of: "these are not meant to be good images, they're just a lens test" would not be possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share #58 Posted July 5, 2007 tashley - i'm sorry i may have misinterpreted your intentions. But to address this particular point, I really feel that a great mass of the mediocre images that we've seen recently would never be posted on the Photo forum (as was stated above by licht), because then the traditional defense of: "these are not meant to be good images, they're just a lens test" would not be possible. I get that point, and I think that people posting that stuff there would probably get more robust criticism than they bargained for too, which would put them off! I think it's interesting that Jono got slammed for posting an image in this thread (he then removed it) by someone stating that it was all wrong, for various reasons. Whereas I happened to think it a very good shot. There is a huge middle ground between snapshot and artistic genius and its that ground that might bear up to further exploration. Believe me I don't want to see kittens in baskets either! ;-) Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2007 Share #59 Posted July 5, 2007 junk is junk no matter what!!!. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/28230-about-posting-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=298703'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2007 Share #60 Posted July 5, 2007 tashley - i'm sorry i may have misinterpreted your intentions. But to address this particular point, I really feel that a great mass of the mediocre images that we've seen recently would never be posted on the Photo forum (as was stated above by licht), because then the traditional defense of: "these are not meant to be good images, they're just a lens test" would not be possible. But what, then, about images that are indeed intended to illustrate a point? Those cannot be criticized on artistic grounds, nor do they need to meet the criteria to be posted on the photoforums (whatever those may be-one man's junk is another one's brilliance). So what we are really doing here is judging intentions. A hard thing to do.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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