Matti1703 Posted October 25, 2017 Share #1  Posted October 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) HI,  I'm search for a wide angle for low light to use during my travel. I would love a 21mm or 24mm Lux but it's a bit too much as it will not be my primary lens.  Which one would you recommend ? Elmar or going to a Zeiss or Voiglander  Thanks,  Mathieu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted October 25, 2017 Share #2  Posted October 25, 2017 Leica 21/3.4 asph and 24/3.8 asph are great but too slow for low light i'm afraid unless you intend to use them on a camera doing clean 12800 iso at least. Leica doesn't make f/2 ("Summicron")  lenses in 21mm or 24mm FL unfortunately. Remain second hand Elmarit 21/2.8 asph or 24/2.8 asph but f/2.8 is slower than f/2 obviously. I would be tempted by the CV 21/1.8 but i have no experience with this lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per P. Posted October 25, 2017 Share #3 Â Posted October 25, 2017 Pretty sure I am repeating myself from another thread, but for the record there is absolutely nothing wrong with the optical and build quality of the Zeiss Biogon 25mm. I had one for a while and used it on the M9 coded as a 24 Elmarit Asph. Why did I sell it, you might ask? Well, one day I got a good offer for an Elmarit Asph and couldn't resist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted October 25, 2017 Share #4  Posted October 25, 2017 I had both the 21 lux and the 21 SEM and ended up returning the 21 lux.  Four reasons:  1) The 21 SEM is MUCH more contrasty than the 21 lux, which was giving me more washed-out photos by comparison.  2) If you are hoping to get strong subject/background separation shooting the 21 lux art f/1.4, that's inherently quite difficult just because of the ultrawide focal length.  Even if your subject is at the minimum focusing distance and your background is near infinity, the background will not be even close to blurred out the way you can achieve at more normal focal lengths.  3) Even though 3.4 sounds pretty slow, at 21 mm, f/3.4 still captures a surprising amount of light simply because the angle of view is so large.  If you have to shoot beyond ISO 6400 with the 21 SEM then I imagine your subject is either moving pretty quickly, or you are shooting in very dark conditions (even by modern photography standards) indeed.  4) The 21 lux is a beast in all respects-- huge, and heavy, and $5,000 more than the 21 SEM.  My bag and shoulder appreciate the change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted October 25, 2017 Share #5 Â Posted October 25, 2017 If 2.8 is fast, then the Elmar ASPH, if 2.0 is fast the the CV 21/1.8(?) is the only non-summilux game in town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted October 25, 2017 Share #6 Â Posted October 25, 2017 I have both the 24 and 21 Elmarit-M ASPH lenses and they are excellent performers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spydrxx Posted October 25, 2017 Share #7 Â Posted October 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you're primarily into people/street shooting in low light I can't offer a reasoned opinion. However if you're primarily shooting landscape & local color, markets, bars, restaurants, city/town streets, any will do with proper support. By that I mean best is tripod or monopod, better is well braced and practiced breathing technique, or even sitting the camera on a table. I did a lot of these type shots some time ago when my hands were steadier. I typically used ISO 400 film for most of my work.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted October 25, 2017 Share #8 Â Posted October 25, 2017 I too own both the 21 and 24 Elmarit asphs. While both are great, my absolute favourite is the 24 ( and only because of the drawing and not the angle)... this 24 is really something special in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 25, 2017 Share #9 Â Posted October 25, 2017 Voigt 21MM f1.8Â pick up second hand for around $500, excellent lens for the money .... but it isn't small ... just traded it in for elmar 24mm (plus 28mm summicron that I never use) and find form is great and so is price for a couple of stops (3.8/4). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 25, 2017 Share #10  Posted October 25, 2017 It's not a 21 or a 24, but Voightlander's 35mm f/1.2 ASPH Nokton is a great lens. It's very fast, quite sharp and contrasty and it goes for $999 USD at B&H. With this lens, take 2-3 steps backward and you will have a field of view roughly equal to the 24 or thereabouts.  I had the version 1 and sold it off. I am looking forward to replacing it with the version 2 that is currently available. IMHO this is a lens well worth considering if you need a fast and sharp wide angle lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 27, 2017 Share #11 Â Posted October 27, 2017 In favour of the 24 mm, if you squint into the corners of the frame you can pretty well see the entire picture and this avoids the need to click on a viewfinder. Â It makes a lot of difference, believe me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelman Posted October 27, 2017 Share #12  Posted October 27, 2017 HI,  I'm search for a wide angle for low light to use during my travel. I would love a 21mm or 24mm Lux but it's a bit too much as it will not be my primary lens.  Which one would you recommend ? Elmar or going to a Zeiss or Voiglander  Thanks,  Mathieu I have and love the results with my Zeiss 21mm f2.8. Great lens wide open. However, I shot a few frames with the Voigtlander 21mm f1.8 and it was pretty amazing. Every time I think about selling the Zeiss and getting the Voigtlander, I shoot a few frames with the Zeiss 21 and I decide to put off the move when I look at the results. If you want a 24/25, the Zeiss 25 is great and the Leica 24mm 2.8 may be one of the best priced lenses on the used market. I sold mine 15 years ago and miss it.   Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 27, 2017 Share #13 Â Posted October 27, 2017 The Voigt 21mm Ultron is a pretty solid lens. It's not as good as the Summilux but most people looking at the pictures won't tell the difference. It's relatively ridiculously cheap, 2nd hand it's a steal. So a good way to test if fast and ultra wide is something you want in your work. Â Has the added bonus of closer .5m focussing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvaliquette Posted October 27, 2017 Share #14  Posted October 27, 2017 I totally agree with marcg, the 24mm Elmar-ASPH 3.8 is a superb lens, super sharp, and you can shoot with it AND without the external viewfinder. Also agree that it makes a BIG difference!  Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted October 28, 2017 Share #15  Posted October 28, 2017 I was on my way to a 21 SEM when i came across the Zeiss 21/2.8 Biogon at a ridiculously low price. So I thought "why not? at least i would know if i like to work with a 21." Haven't looked back. Great lens  http://www.infoyin.com/form/c0jd3c0aw2s3cp3nrg1g6na7xpyiol   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted October 28, 2017 Share #16  Posted October 28, 2017 I got the Voigtlander Ultron 21/1.8 and it's the best money I've ever spent. I don't think it is much less than the Summilux 21 for 1/4 the price. It is a crisp, sharp lens. Only weaknes is the size, but the same is for the Lux.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278113-which-21mm-or-24mm-for-low-light-without-breaking-the-bank/?do=findComment&comment=3383866'>More sharing options...
oldwino Posted October 28, 2017 Share #17 Â Posted October 28, 2017 The Zeiss 25 is excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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