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Just updating from previous post. Did some further testing of the X1d using my ancient R lens, a 50mm Summicron of 70s vintage. It’s old, rickety, fungus, etc., but still performs wonderfully. Usin

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The X1D lenses are better than most of the Pentax lenses, especially wide open. The older Pentax lenses have some CA and are lower in contrast. But when push comes to shove the files from either are s

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Honestly. I would too. The S system is ludicrously expensive but I have most of the lenses i need and a few HC lenses with the Leica adaptor and they're great as well. However, and it's a big however, it'll need to sort out all my complaints. No mandatory LENR. At least 30 min exposure times. Mirrorless. Without those I'll plod along with my hasselblad.

 

Basically I want a large sensor SL with no mandatory LENR. If so, Leica get a customer. If not, they don't.

 

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+1.

 

I strongly believe that the next SL and S will come with an option to switch off the LENR. For the SL, this may come with the next FW update. Cretainly, Leica is very well aware of this demand - both from SL and S users belonging to this forum and elsewhere. Time will tell.

 

With the quite excellent CL sensor, Leica has the pixel density, colour and high-ISO capabilities 'in-house'. It is hard to know whether the Maestro III processor is available to swiftly handle a new 60+ mp sensor, but I would think so, also because next version of the SL (likely) requires a modified processor.

 

I remain on the optimistic side. The CL, M10 and SL are all very, very fine systems. The S too, although its starting to show some age in the digital race.

 

And importantly, Leica makes money.

 

So no X1D for me. Yet.

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So far loving the X1D black kit! The next S (008) needs to push it really hard and innovate to catch the competition.

 

 

I recall well your beautiful Iceland photographs, and review of the Leica S system in more challenging conditions.  

Can you comment on what you see as the pros and cons of each system?

 

Thanks

Mark

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When you get down to it the S lenses aren't even much faster, not enough to make much of a difference. Plus, the incoming X1D lenses look really good.

 

On top of that is an exciting and a more bankable future, with new 100MP sensors landing soon, firmware updates coming thick and fast, and a good feeling about its overall future - It feels like the system and paradigm of the future. Hasselblad proved their reliability and service/customer care chops to me several years ago and continue to do so.

 

The X1D field kit with 3 lenses is cheaper than the S body alone.   :huh:

 

The crowning feelings are that I really like the X1D IQ and rendering that I've been seeing and it does so in a form the same size of the M. My search for has always been for high res in a small package and it has finally taken shape. I will keep an M and Noctilux but I'm fairly certain I will be jumping in on the X1D in early 2018. The only other thing left for me to decide is how much of the M kit do I keep.

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The X1D field kit with 3 lenses is cheaper than the S body alone.   :huh:

EXACTLY MY THINKING. SUCH TEMPTATION.

 

The crowning feelings are that I really like the X1D IQ and rendering that I've been seeing and it does so in a form the same size of the M. My search for has always been for high res in a small package and it has finally taken shape. I will keep an M and Noctilux but I'm fairly certain I will be jumping in on the X1D in early 2018. The only other thing left for me to decide is how much of the M kit do I keep.

I THINK I'DLIKE TO KEEP A BIT MORE OF MY M SYSTEM THAN THAT :-)

 

 

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Okay so here is my take on it. I have been shooting the Leica S006 then S007 for around 2 years now. I have also been shooting Leica SL durning that time. But whenever I go out to shoot something important to me, weather that be a pretty model, a beautiful landscape or anywhere where I want the best IQ I ALWAYS take the S with S lenses...........I would be crazy not to :) I just went to Japan for 8 days and initially thought about taking the TL2 but my sensible head kicked in and said don't be stupid, take the best that you already have, so I took the S and glad that i did Pictures here

 

I sold the SL because the IQ of the SL files compared to the S007 files is like "carrots and pigs trotters" in other words there is no comparison. I miss the SL for one thing only and that is it was good for me to shoot Noctilux and get all those squiggly bits that I like...........I have now managed to get some squiggly bits with my S120 under certain lighting conditions so it now looks like I will also let the Noctilux and my other M lenses go (I will keep the 50mm Elmar M) as that puppy looks sexy on my TL2.

 

I have no intentions of selling off my S gear as I just know that one day Leica with get there heads out of there a$$es and listen to what the medium format guys are asking for and give us a mirrorless small compact S with 80+ megabytes ...............Kind of like Hasselblad have done with there X1D.

 

I will buy a X1D field kit to use in the meantime while waiting for the paragraph above to material girl. We will then see if the new S will be compatible with the current S lenses (hopefully the new mirrorless S will have small lenses to go with it) again like the X1D 

 

I just need Raymond to get his head out of his a$$ and come up with some realistic numbers for my gear that I will be trading in for the X1D. I still have over 3 weeks before I get home so I am not panicking yet

 

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So far loving the X1D black kit! The next S (008) needs to push it really hard and innovate to catch the competition.

 

 

I'd love hear and see more about/from the X1D from people who have done great work with the S. I've been curious about the X1D since its release and have tried it several times in stores. But I still genuinely find images from the S system more refined and pleasing, the aggregate of a lot of subtle qualities.

 

In spite of the awkward styling of the Fuji GFX, its lenses actually strike me as better optics--and certainly better value. At their current prices the XCD lenses often cost more than used copies of the Summarits-S, which are very depreciated.

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I'd love hear and see more about/from the X1D from people who have done great work with the S. I've been curious about the X1D since its release and have tried it several times in stores. But I still genuinely find images from the S system more refined and pleasing, the aggregate of a lot of subtle qualities.

 

In spite of the awkward styling of the Fuji GFX, its lenses actually strike me as better optics--and certainly better value. At their current prices the XCD lenses often cost more than used copies of the Summarits-S, which are very depreciated.

Alan

S lenses loose about 60% if there value as soon as you add the used verbiage with it. I have 3 x S lenses and was offered 6k for them if I remember for a trade in for a H6D 100 about this time last year :):(

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S lenses loose about 60% if there value as soon as you add the used verbiage with it. I have 3 x S lenses and was offered 6k for them if I remember for a trade in for a H6D 100 about this time last year :):(

 

Which is why I bought all of mine used. A dealer (here) will offer 60-70% of used prices in trade-in. 

 

Mind you, I bought an IQ140 used at half price. It's value has since dropped another 75%.  :wacko:

 

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Probably :) :)

 

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The same counts for the Leica S I’m afraid, after your X1D adventure. My dealer, who is for me what Raymond is for you I guess, said 20 years ago to me when I considered some Voigtlander lens, I guess it was the 2.5/75mm (which btw I should have kept but didn’t, as a lightweight alternative alongside my Summilux 75): “in the end you’ll want a Leica anyway, so why waste your money first”. I think that notorious Leica users forget sometimes and are unaware of the all the little tiny details that make that you prefer it above other thingies.

 

Oh and the Noctilux could work on the X1D:

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278537-hasselblad-x1d-with-leica-m-lenses/

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The same counts for the Leica S I’m afraid, after your X1D adventure. My dealer, who is for me what Raymond is for you I guess, said 20 years ago to me when I considered some Voigtlander lens, I guess it was the 2.5/75mm (which btw I should have kept but didn’t, as a lightweight alternative alongside my Summilux 75): “in the end you’ll want a Leica anyway, so why waste your money first”. I think that notorious Leica users forget sometimes and are unaware of the all the little tiny details that make that you prefer it above other thingies.

Oh and the Noctilux could work on the X1D:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278537-hasselblad-x1d-with-leica-m-lenses/

Otto

I mentioned already that I have no intentions of selling my Leica S gear..........I love my Leica S.

 

As for the M lenses yes I will sell those as I don't have a M body to screw the lenses onto......and after MF I don't want to be messing around with the FF stuff either, weather it be a M or a SL

 

Apparently the Noctilux docent work so well on the X1D.......according to the guys over at Hasselblad

 

Neil

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