M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.

[lct]

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10 minutes ago, mmradman said:

He wouldn't be the only one. Alas, not in M11 or any other Leica camera any time soon...🙁

I do enjoy my digital M camera experience (M246) but "Wesentliches" or "essentials" according to Google translate, is becoming byword for outdated at inflated price.   

Indeed unless the new Visoflex brings something new. No significant lag, similar viewing quality as Q2 and crop mode in live view in a yet compact package. This together with the M10 being still offered at a reduced price and with new Visoflex compatibility. Just a guess though.

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3 minutes ago, lct said:

Indeed unless the new Visoflex brings something new. No significant lag, similar viewing quality as Q2 and crop mode in live view in a yet compact package. This together with the M10 being still offered at a reduced price and with new Visoflex compatibility. Just a guess though.

if its similar to the 9.4MP EVF of the sony, i wonder how long the newer battery will last

[Paulus]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb mmradman:

He wouldn't be the only one. Alas, not in M11 or any other Leica camera any time soon...🙁

I do enjoy my digital M camera experience (M246) but "Wesentliches" or "essentials" according to Google translate, is becoming byword for outdated at inflated price.   

No I don’t think so. Wesentliche means: only what really need. What do you really need? With more practice you reallly don’t need so much. Every gear with “ more” always obliges the less trained IMHO.

 

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13 minutes ago, Paulus said:

With more practice you reallly don’t need so much.

Don't count me in please .

[mmradman]

36 minutes ago, Paulus said:

No I don’t think so. Wesentliche means: only what really need. What do you really need? With more practice you reallly don’t need so much. Every gear with “ more” always obliges the less trained IMHO.

 

I have been practicing long enough, thank you very much. 

As much as "essential" can be pleasure and fun I do appreciate even more all the bells and whistles that modern technology can provide.  I am into digital M full frame system primarily for the small quality lenses, optical RF comes distant second.

[lct]

1 minute ago, Steven said:

with 100% strike rate

100% only?

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29 minutes ago, Steven said:

The same way he focuses his 24mm. By looking at the scale on the lens and guessing the distance of his subject, with 100% strike rate. 

Beats AF all the time, like a good focus puller............practice, practice, practice,

[Herr Barnack]

On 10/17/2021 at 9:39 AM, Steven said:

Hahaha. Alan is the nicest guy. This was while having a beer with him in paris after walking around for 2 hours taking photos. Fun fact about Alan, he shoots 99% of his shots from the hip……. Wide open !!!! By muscle memory, he sets focus by guessing the distance from his subjects. That particular evening, he was doing it with the 50 Noctilux at 1.2 and never missed any shots!!! So you can image that his focus accuracy with his main lens (24 mm) is higher than a Sony A1! 
I was so shocked and inspired that I practiced all weekend the same thing with my 35mm. It’s actually achievable! I was pretty decent at it. The hardest is for distances below 1.5m cause you must be extra precise. But I think with a couple more weeks of practice I can pull it off. Alan is great. 

Alan Schaller is a guy we could all learn a lot from.  He is doing several things right and as a result has risen to a high level in the world of Leica M photography.  I love watching his videos and hearing him teach.  He has mastered that most daunting and terrifying of skills:  Photographing with only one lens. 😳

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[mmradman]

31 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

Alan Schaller is a guy we could all learn a lot from.  He is doing several things right and as a result has risen to a high level in the world of Leica M photography.  I love watching his videos and hearing him teach.  He has mastered that most daunting and terrifying of skills:  Photographing with only one lens. 😳

Truly shocking for Leica's bottom line, one lens only 🤯, plus he is using now discontinued Summilux M 24mm as principal lens.  If the trend continues new cameras and lenses will have to be priced sky high, beyond everyone's reach but few very affluent collectors.  

[SrMi]

46 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

Alan Schaller is a guy we could all learn a lot from.  He is doing several things right and as a result has risen to a high level in the world of Leica M photography.  I love watching his videos and hearing him teach.  He has mastered that most daunting and terrifying of skills:  Photographing with only one lens. 😳

I always photograph with only one lens at a time, but, like Alan, I change the lens according to circumstances .

In 2017, from https://www.leica-camera.blog/2017/09/11/many-shades-life/:

My go to lenses are the 24mm Summilux and the 50mm Summilux Asph. A lot of work has been done with these lenses. I also use the 35 Summilux Asph FLE, 60mm R Macro lens and the 90mm APO Summicron.

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[SrMi]

4 minutes ago, mmradman said:

Truly shocking for Leica's bottom line, one lens only 🤯, plus he is using now discontinued Summilux M 24mm as principal lens.  If the trend continues new cameras and lenses will have to be priced sky high, beyond everyone's reach but few very affluent collectors.  

Not long ago, the LUF conclusion was that it does not make sense to use Summilux 24mm/1.4 for street photography :).

 

 

[mmradman]

13 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Not long ago, the LUF conclusion was that it does not make sense to use Summilux 24mm/1.4 for street photography :).

 

 

Many years ago I did my foray into street photography with Pentax MX and SMC Pentax 24mm f2.8* (B&W film obviously),  I still have fond memories of those early days.  Thanks for reminder.  Must look for negatives and maybe scan few old keepers, something to do round Christmas, plenty of time and not enough daylight outside. 

Several decades later with Leica MP and later M9 my nearest lens was Zeiss ZM 25mm, again good for street, sadly lens was dropped and damaged beyond economic repair, replaced with SEM 21mm.  For some reason my current M wide line up is 21 & 28mm.   

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[Jeff S]

I like the first pic. No points ever for how one gets the shot… second pic….viewers care as little about that as the gear used.  Not sure why you keep the FLE given your resolve.

Jeff

[bags27]

13 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

I like the first pic. No points ever for how one gets the shot… second pic….viewers care as little about that as the gear used.  Not sure why you keep the FLE given your resolve.

Jeff

😀 A little too close to the bone for me. My FLE sits mainly unused, both on my M4-P and M10, as I almost always reach for my Summaron 3.5 LTM.

Edited October 18, 2021 by bags27

[Jeff S]

8 minutes ago, bags27 said:

😀 A little too close to the bone for me. My FLE sits mainly unused, both on my M4-P and M10, as I almost always reach for my Summaron 3.5 LTM.

Besides FLE, I have Summaron f2.8 and Summicron ASPH v.1.  Each has its appeal.  But for the last year, most of my gear has been dramatically underutilized. 🙁

Jeff

[Jeff S]

9 minutes ago, carlosmcse said:

A lot of people are gear collectors. Personally I don’t like to own more than 2 lenses. I think more than 3 lenses is completely unnecessary. 

I have 5 M lenses; the 3 above, one 28 and one 50. Two of the 35’s were picked up just before Covid to experiment. Before that I never owned  more than 3 M lenses at a time, since the 80’s (except for short experiments with 75/90). 
 

My photo gear has been idle due to the pandemic and family matters. Once I get back to making pics, one or two of the 35’s will get sold. 

I collect vintage silver prints and first edition photo books. 
 

Jeff

[a.noctilux]

14 minutes ago, carlosmcse said:

A lot of people are gear collectors. Personally I don’t like to own more than 2 lenses. I think more than 3 lenses is completely unnecessary. 

Talking about collectors, I know somebodies with so many lenses that they don't count anymore since some years 🙈

How about more than a hundred or even more ?

They bought new when launched, never use them, some boxes are not even opened, 😁.

[lct]

23 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

I know somebodies with so many lenses that they don't count anymore since some years

No idea whom you're referring to . Collectors or keepers can help newbies choosing their 2 or 3 non unnecessary lenses at least . 

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12 minutes ago, lct said:

No idea whom you're referring to . Collectors or keepers can help newbies choosing their 2 or 3 non unnecessary lenses at least . 

I don't know if collectors (who don't use the lenses, as I wrote) can help another for choices of 2-3 lenses.

 

Side note,

Some years ago, I knew nothing about LTM Leica, I asked for informations the one person I knew as long time user of those LTM.

He just said that he didn't know which one to recommend to begin with, adding that he had (by then) 72 Leica of different types to choose from.

 

Side note 2,

discovered this collectors article about D. S.

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[Dennis]

2 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

I don't know if collectors (who don't use the lenses, as I wrote) can help another for choices of 2-3 lenses.

 

+1

I'm not a collector, but I can tell someone (if asking) many things, ups and downs about each lens I own (and use). To know well and possibly master your own gear, I think, is the first step to good imagery.