evikne Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1021 Posted February 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, lucerne said: Who would they be. Have you an example? In the Norwegian photo forum there have been lots of discussions around this, but you probably won't understand much of it. 😉 And I don't participate there anymore, because I don't feel very welcome there as a Leica user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 10, 2020 Posted February 10, 2020 Hi evikne, Take a look here M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M11 for me Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1022 Posted February 10, 2020 vor 8 Stunden schrieb jaapv: . . . You mean the angle of view. . . . or the equivalent focal length based on crop factor. It is a fact though that focal length and largest aperture in mm stay the same regardless of the sensor size behind the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1023 Posted February 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, evikne said: In the Norwegian photo forum there have been lots of discussions around this, but you probably won't understand much of it. 😉 And I don't participate there anymore, because I don't feel very welcome there as a Leica user. consider yourself fortunate!!! Do Norwegians use different cameras with different sensors and even different definitions of photographic terms? Do Canon and Nikon make special bodies and lenses for Norway? Full-frame and Cropped sensors directly impact the outcome of the captured image. Its a universal fact. Even depth of field differs. But I thought we all knew that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1024 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, M10 for me said: . . . or the equivalent focal length based on crop factor. Yes, like Leica used on the Digilux2. It remains a derivate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1025 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Well take the V-Lux 5 (just an example with an actual camera from Leica.com): You can read there "25-400mm focal length". The indication of equivalent focal length is very common, very normal, it simplifies comparison and thus everybody does it. Edited February 10, 2020 by M10 for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1026 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jaapv said: The definition of full frame is that the print size is the same as the negative (sensor) size. So everybody using a 24x36 camera is supposed to print passport portrait size if he wishes to claim full-frame. The only Leica full-frame camera is the Sofort. I think that most photographers would accept that full frame is a term used to refer to the 35mm - 36mm x 24mm - camera format. As opposed, that is, to what was/is referred to as half-frame, which referred to 18mm x 24mm format. Its being somewhat pedantic for people to suggest otherwise IMO😉. Edited February 10, 2020 by pgk wretched spellcheker 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1027 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 44 minutes ago, lucerne said: Do Norwegians use different cameras with different sensors and even different definitions of photographic terms? Do Canon and Nikon make special bodies and lenses for Norway? I think maybe it's some kind of envy that makes them deny both full frame and Leica. But not all Norwegians are that stubborn, fortunately. 😉 Edited February 10, 2020 by evikne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1028 Posted February 10, 2020 Just to throw something else into the mix. Actually I can see a use for a digital version of the M1 in technical applications - ie a rangefinderless and EVFless M series digital camera. With Live View and flexible focus magnification and an appropriate (low) price tag, such a camera might fill many niches just as the M1 did. But it would come down to cost because there are plenty of higher specified competitors' models usable in this way too (but not with such a simple form factor). Such a camera would benefit from the M mount, the removal of the costly rangefinder and would have no associated EVF cost either. It would be the 'Barnack' of digital Leicas! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1029 Posted February 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, pgk said: Just to throw something else into the mix. Actually I can see a use for a digital version of the M1 in technical applications - ie a rangefinderless and EVFless M series digital camera. With Live View and flexible focus magnification and an appropriate (low) price tag, such a camera might fill many niches just as the M1 did. But it would come down to cost because there are plenty of higher specified competitors' models usable in this way too (but not with such a simple form factor). Such a camera would benefit from the M mount, the removal of the costly rangefinder and would have no associated EVF cost either. It would be the 'Barnack' of digital Leicas! Would it still be an M then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1030 Posted February 10, 2020 The M1 seems to have been😉. Perhaps we should refer to such cameras as M- (minus) or perhaps xM (as in ex) models?😊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1031 Posted February 10, 2020 5 hours ago, jaapv said: The definition of full frame is that the print size is the same as the negative (sensor) size. So everybody using a 24x36 camera is supposed to print passport portrait size if he wishes to claim full-frame. The only Leica full-frame camera is the Sofort. Not anywhere I've ever worked. Print size = negative size is called "a contact print." Which was the only printing feasable until electrically-lit enlargers were devised - thus camera formats were sized based on the final print size needed. https://petapixel.com/2018/09/07/this-was-the-worlds-largest-camera-back-in-1900/ Contact prints can, of course, also be made from Barnack-format film for editing and cataloging, and occasionally as an artistic statement of multiple pictures. Or in "photomechanical" processes such as replicating motion pictures, or producing printing plates. Or to make silicon-chip ICs via photolithographic masks. And of course, traditional peel-apart Polaroids were also "contact prints" - from a usually, but not always, disposable negative. https://petapixel.com/2018/12/05/peel-apart-instant-film-is-back-and-its-called-one-instant/ "Full-frame" means "using the whole negative without cropping" - even if the image is magnified. Synonym: "Uncropped." Sometimes right out to the unexposed area around the film (a black border - famously by H-CB and others) as evidence that there was no cropping. Once digital photography moved from dedicated lens/camera devices (Apple Quick-Take, Sony Mavica, etc.) to using legacy film lenses, the first sensors were still smaller than the original film format for which the lenses were designed. They always crop the image, to the distress of wide-angle users (like me) - and thus are called "cropped sensors" - and thus are not full-frame. We dreamed of full-frame sensors that allowed a 21mm lens to produce super-wide-angle digital images exactly like it would on film. The first full-frame 24 x 36mm sensor appeared in the Contax Digital N (a Koninklijke Philips chip, BTW), followed closely by the Canon 1-Ds (both 2002). For Leica users, the first full-frame sensor was in the M9. (Full-frame is also used to describe a read-out technique of CCD imaging sensors - a separate subject). 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1032 Posted February 10, 2020 I look forward to your contact print from a sensor... OK, I'll remove my tongue from my cheek now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1033 Posted February 10, 2020 Easy-peasy - assuming you have a standard 110-ppi screen. (M10 original) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268919-m-11-will-be-around-in-less-than-4-years-the-speculations-and-facts/?do=findComment&comment=3910303'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1034 Posted February 10, 2020 i want to see the "perforations" AKA soldering tabs to be sure that you printed the whole frame! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1035 Posted February 11, 2020 I wonder if the M11 will have a version with this VF https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102012009975B4/en 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1036 Posted February 11, 2020 You guys are all wrong. This is the only real full frame camera worth considering. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1037 Posted February 11, 2020 And for the transport it possibly is smaller than an SL or a Canikonso! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1038 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) New Leica M mount camera with EVF is rumored to be in the works (already rumored before): 24MP sensor, body similar to the M240. The camera will have a native M mount and will be offered as an alternative to the M10Read more: https://leicarumors.com/2020/02/09/whats-next-for-leica.aspx/#ixzz6DdqBJ6UH M in "Mevf" stands for M mount (the bayonet) here. Edited February 11, 2020 by jankap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1039 Posted February 11, 2020 vor 3 Stunden schrieb frame-it: I wonder if the M11 will have a version with this VF https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102012009975B4/en Could be possible since it is meanwhile not only an application but a granted patent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted February 11, 2020 Share #1040 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) vor 19 Minuten schrieb jankap: New Leica M mount camera with EVF is rumored to be in the works (already rumored before😞 24MP sensor, body similar to the M240. The camera will have a native M mount and will be offered as an alternative to the M10Read more: https://leicarumors.com/2020/02/09/whats-next-for-leica.aspx/#ixzz6DdqBJ6UH M in "Mevf" stands for M mount (the bayonet) here. This doesn't make sense for me, the sensor should be 40MPx+ and the body smaller than the M240, otherwise its will be dead born child. Edited February 11, 2020 by AndreasG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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