Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #61 Posted February 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The first thing I'd lose would be about £3000 if I traded in my M240 to pay for 3.6 mm less and a shorter battery life. I decided that it was worth the cost for me to get a better VF and RF (seeing and focusing....my top priority for any camera), better weather sealing (very practical for my travel), and more flexibility shooting in low light. Better color out-of-camera is gravy....a welcome PP saver...as well as any other improvements. I thought the M240 was the best built RF digital camera to date, and didn't expect to upgrade, but things change in three and a half years. Size and weight reductions are not important to me, as I've adapted well to all Ms since the early 80's. I'm sure battery life will be more than sufficient given my deliberate shooting style. Never cared for video. Can't really thing of any negatives for me besides the $.....as long as the camera is as reliable as my M240 has been. Still need a complementary system, though. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Hi Jeff S, Take a look here The little things we lose with the M10. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MarkP Posted February 9, 2017 Share #62 Posted February 9, 2017 The only thing I'll really miss is the electronic horizontal/vertical level for tripod work. If I have the EVF on I'll either have to use the tripod head bubble or a double level just sitting on the top plate of the camera - neither is as good as the electronic one, especially in low light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #63 Posted February 9, 2017 The only thing I'll really miss is the electronic horizontal/vertical level for tripod work. If I have the EVF on I'll either have to use the tripod head bubble or a double level just sitting on the top plate of the camera - neither is as good as the electronic one, especially in low light. Post #60. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted February 9, 2017 Share #64 Posted February 9, 2017 Hi Mark Rumours are the level is coming back in the next software update. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #65 Posted February 9, 2017 Hi Mark Rumours are the level is coming back in the next software update. cheers Post #60. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 9, 2017 Share #66 Posted February 9, 2017 Post #64 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #67 Posted February 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Some posts also lose the little things....like links to the source of the information. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted February 9, 2017 Share #68 Posted February 9, 2017 3. The M240 battery is great. I routinely get 1500 shots* on a single charge and I never have to worry about the battery. If it's charged when I walk out for the day it never runs out and I love that about my M. I suspect that with the smaller battery of the M10 I will now have to worry about carrying a spare (especially if I want to transfer photos over wifi when I sit down for coffee). I'm used to shooting 36 shots per battery on my Sigma DP2 Merrill. The M10 is perfect for me ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2017 Share #69 Posted February 9, 2017 I have no issues with mine. The A position feels different, although I've never tried adjusting mine by feel on either camera. I just checked though and it is possible. I came to this whilst just "cruising" through the thread to see what you all thought of the M10. I don't have one and have no plans to move from my 240's anytime soon simply because apart from the camera's slimmer size there's no advantages for me with the M10 over the M240, however your post did scratch a nerve. All the digital M's, ( including the M8, but I'm not sure ), have a weak indent at the AUTO position on the shutter dial but more annoying is that Leica has always painted the "A" AUTO position in a dark red colour which is almost impossible to see in dim lighting and quite hard to do so quickly in good light, especially if you're not blessed with 20/20 vision. This grumble probably applies more to the black camera bodies than the silver. On all of my digital Leicas I've had to cut an "arrow" of yellow camera tape and position that so I can know at a glance where the AUTO position is, and I can do that without fumbling for my reading glasses to double check. It's such a simple thing to fix. A white, ( or black with the silver bodies ), engraved line at the "A" position to the centre of the dial would do the trick without compromising anything on the dial. I wish that they'd do something like that……..Maybe I should see if I can find someone who could do it for me, any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share #70 Posted February 9, 2017 I also can't usually feel the A position on my M240-P, and like you I can't see it when the light is dim. Very frustrating. I am however happy to report that on my M10 I can feel the A click into place every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 9, 2017 Share #71 Posted February 9, 2017 I also can't usually feel the A position on my M240-P, and like you I can't see it when the light is dim. Very frustrating. I am however happy to report that on my M10 I can feel the A click into place every time. I can always feel the A position on my M240. It was one of the many little improvements over the M9, amongst some of the bigger ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 9, 2017 Share #72 Posted February 9, 2017 The A position intention in the shutter speed dial mechanics can apparently slightly adjusted when the camera is in for a service! Ask about this and specifically mention this issue (best of course when your camera is still within the official warranty period - as then there is no question about any potential cost for this fix). When my M9 was in for a service a few years ago, I mentioned this issue and by lucky chance had my M7 with me to demonstrate how I would like the A position to lock. On my M7 the A position really locks hard into place and needs much more force to move out of then any other position. The M9 was slightly improved after service but not as nice and tight as my M7. Ideally of course Leica would listen after so many years and would simply go back to the perfect non-rotating shutter speed dial as it has been up to the modern Leica M bodies. You twist the dial one direction until it stops and have B mode - you twist it all the way into the other end position and you have A mode. You should also have a strong indentation at your flash sync speed and then from any of those three poisons you can perfectly set any shutter speed blindfolded. I love how any Leica M can be set blindfolded until the M7 came around. This was a feature of Leica M bodies - an important one, and it was axed - bad decision. Being able to preset your camera without needing to look at a screen or the controls themselves is a very useful perk, especially in low light or when you are watching a scene, a subject and set your camera at the same time. This is another advantage the old Leica M bodies had over automated SLR cameras which rely solely on program modes or displays to manually set exposures - hence the need of looking at the thing when setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 9, 2017 Share #73 Posted February 9, 2017 Option to shoot uncompressed files. That would be stupid since the compression is lossless. It's the same compression method Adobe DNG Converter is using. Please do not say "lossless = lossless", unless you have actually taken the time to test with 100s of files. So you also wouldn't agree to a statement like "2 + 2 = 4" unless you haven't checked out a few hundred cases!? Regarding the original topic—I appreciate the self-timer option removed from the main switch but I wish the 'S' and 'C' settings were still there. If you need to switch to continuous shooting (rarely) then you want it quick. Furthermore, I'd like to see the aperture numbers in the EXIF data, as inaccurate as they often were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ananda Posted February 9, 2017 Share #74 Posted February 9, 2017 I think I will keep my pristine M 240. And wait for the M11, which will probably be a knockout, and maybe more megapixels, too. I know the sensor is better in the M10, but as much as I like night photography, I can get by with a tripod and the Summulux 50 asph. Yeah, people are too eager to jump to the M10, and I know it's a nice camera. But the M11 will be fantastic. Leica has to keep up with the competition to some degree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #75 Posted February 9, 2017 I would love to wait for the perfect Leica. The M15. That would be in 20 years. But then I'd have trouble with the OVF. So I settled for the M10 and knowing me, will exchange it for an M11. Then an M12 etc. And thereby get to enjoy photography for the 20 years until the M15 arrives. Life is short. Grab it while you can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 9, 2017 Share #76 Posted February 9, 2017 Level might get re-instated in a firmware fix? It's such a basic thing these days and I find it really helpful. If the camera hardware includes some sort of tilt measure component on the main board or elsewhere then it's indeed a matter of firmware fix. If not then the GPS in the add-on EVF might provide such functionality. Is it a confirmed fact that the horizon level has been taken out? That would be a pity as this is the first M that allows magnified focus check all across the frame which is invaluable for landscape work and the horizon level woks hand-in-hand with that! Also, out of curiosity, is there an option to switch off long exposure noise reduction? I would imagine there is an accelerometer on board to record camera orientation in the EXIF data, that's the only hardware you would need for a level. Hi there I've checked this one out carefully, and I understand that the hardware required for the level gauge isn't there - so there won't be a firmware fix to fix it. If you look at the interview David Farkas did with Jesko and Stefan you can see that it was a real issue getting it all squeezed in, and I guess this one had to go. So, No - no firmware fix for this one . . . Keep on asking for the Aperture in the exif though (I know I am!) all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #77 Posted February 9, 2017 Leica Camera Customer Care just replied to my inquiry, and said "the missing horizon/level tool is in process and is integrated with one of the next firmware updates". This is from another thread. Would Leica customer care not know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 9, 2017 Share #78 Posted February 9, 2017 That's not good news………. . Fingers crossed that Cliff was better informed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 9, 2017 Share #79 Posted February 9, 2017 This is from another thread. Would Leica customer care not know? sadly yes its possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #80 Posted February 9, 2017 I trust Jono. Leica Rumors admin, however, is pretty confident based on info from more than one source inside Leica. So, we'll see. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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