Availability?

[Jk1002]

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Typically price increases on wholesale do not affect open order but future order.

 

BH certainly does not order for every single unit they have open expecting cancelations so there could be a small risk for them down the line

 

I think underlying issue may be that Leica germany doesnt run production at full steam yet

 

For Q launch it took them some time as well until dealer received quantities

 

I will stick to my BH, camera and lense would be 500$ more now

[Eric1]

Yes, I would imagine BH orders in balk too. I can recall the Q wasn't widely available for over a year. It doesn't seem worth it in my opinion to wait a year over $300 increase somewhere else. I wanted to get from BH because I got my lenses there too. I just don't want to wait until next spring to use the M10. But everyone has a different level of patience.

[Foxtwo]

Let's assume BH had three hundred orders over last three months since the release date. Times $300 less than the price now, that's $90,000 they'd have to swallow. Yeah, I don't think BH is going to fulfill any of those orders. Im going to look elsewhere. Lesson learned for next time, stay away from big dealers.

That doesn't make sense. BH knows full well that in today's digital world, customers communicate freely and frequently amongst themselves in a number of venues. If they did something like fulfilling orders out of sequence, then they know it would get out and hurt future sales, not to mention their hard earned reputation while violating basic morality. One wonders how Leica would react as well.

 

Never had a issue with them, and as others have said, there are significant financial advantages to being patient.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Foxtwo

[Eric1]

Um, there is nothing inherently moral about profit. A business exists to make money not behave how you think it should behave. Leica is interested in making money not telling other businesses how to act. Its just my opinion. Is it ethical for BH to advertise the Leica M10 as "coming soon" when it hasn't fulfilled orders from day two of release in January? I mean, think what you want, but im not that gullible.

[Eric1]

Um, there is nothing inherently moral about profit. A business exists to make money not behave how you think it should behave. Leica is interested in making money not telling other businesses how to act. Its just my opinion. Is it ethical for BH to advertise the Leica M10 as "coming soon" when it hasn't fulfilled orders from day two of release in January? I mean, think what you want, but im not that gullible.

[Foxtwo]

Um, there is nothing inherently moral about profit. A business exists to make money not behave how you think it should behave. Leica is interested in making money not telling other businesses how to act. Its just my opinion. Is it ethical for BH to advertise the Leica M10 as "coming soon" when it hasn't fulfilled orders from day two of release in January? I mean, think what you want, but im not that gullible.

Manufacturers raise prices for two reasons, one because demand will sustain it, or they are trying to stimulate short term sales. They can later offer rebates or event sales to mitigate is the reason was the latter.

 

No problem with profits at all, but I seriously doubt that a company with the background and reserves of BH would fill orders out of sequence for increased revenue. There is no upside, and there is no need to do so. A small, cash strapped shop might out of a desperate need to make payroll. Something like that is the purview of gray market shops that change names and work scams to stay ahead of outraged customers and investigators. Canon shut one down recently.

 

I've never heard of BH doing such a thing, and if someone has evidence, then I look forward to reading about it.

 

The so called "sheet" tells us very little.

[Big John]

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Hi all,

 

I have had an SL for a year and v happy with it except for size and weight (I use the 24-90). So am quite keen on getting my first M!

 

Question is, to those who have mapped out availability, if there is no chance of getting an M10 within the UK before say August? If not then I am going to get a used M so as not to lose a summer vacation ripe for photography.

 

Thanks.

[Eric1]

But don't you think its odd that BH advertises that you can buy the Leica M10, "coming soon", when in fact it is so backordered that it won't be available for a really long time? Seems unethical to me.

[Jk1002]

I think the price increase had nothing to do with demand, I do think it has to do with the 240 that they intend to keep selling. Why the M10 is cheaper, being the much later model despite lacking video might have been hard to understand for consumer putting the 240 in a funny spot. Keep in mind the current rebates are in conjunction with lense and may not be extended.

[Eric1]

I think it has everything to do with demand. The m240 is still around because it has video and they're is still available stock. They increased prices of lenses as well, which makes no sense if it was just to distinguish M10 from M240

[Foxtwo]

But don't you think its odd that BH advertises that you can buy the Leica M10, "coming soon", when in fact it is so backordered that it won't be available for a really long time? Seems unethical to me.

 

 

OK, I see that a couple of you are hung up on the "coming soon" aspect. I missed that aspect because it just isn't worth much concern.

 

My view is that the average Leica purchaser would be sophisticated enough to understand the way marketing works, with such language taken as simply standard placeholders for anything that is backordered. Additionally, ordering gear at the price point of the M10 and a lens or three would mean that most of us would tend to pick up the phone and see what's going on before ordering. I've stopped in person at four Leica stores on opposite coasts, and one across the Atlantic, and finally, at BH in person. Twice.

 

My last visit was last Sunday, and both times, BH told me that they had no idea when M10's would be in stock, that it would likely be months, and that Leica tells them nothing. While they did have a demo model, the four clerks I talked to who were familiar with Leica seemed quite frustrated with the pace of deliveries. I spent a snowy day chatting for a couple hours with a handful of guys at an empty counter. They all mentioned that Leica reps visited their store once per year, which was pretty standard across the industry. This is exactly what the two Leica "Flagship" Stores told me as well. I left all four places understanding that it would be a long wait, anywhere that I ordered.  They all said the same exact thing. Silver a couple of months, Black, who knows?

 

In fact, if a retailer wants to move people up according to how much business, or how much a customer has spent over time, then fine by me as well. There is no evidence that any retailer would be obtuse enough to fill orders made later at a higher price after a manufacturer's price increase.

 

If that is the case and it is found to be true, then I'll be first to spread the news across the globe. and that retailer can live with its choices. 

 

Hope this helps. It is obvious that if you are in a hurry, you can probably find a place to get a camera more expeditiously. I'm willing to wait, and use the time to contemplate if I want to go Leica at all. I will be watching what all you have to say as you get your cameras closely.

 

Hope this helps.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Foxtwo

[Jager]

But don't you think its odd that BH advertises that you can buy the Leica M10, "coming soon", when in fact it is so backordered that it won't be available for a really long time? Seems unethical to me.

 

Crikey, Eric.  "Coming Soon" is the phrase B&H has used for years for items that are... coming soon.  "Soon" being subjective and indeterminate.  They're not trying to mislead anyone.  Their entire business hinges on trust.  Trust that took a long time to build (those who remember the countless shady photographic mail-order outlets of the 70's and 80's will know how hard it was to establish that trust).  They're not going to jeopardize that.

 

And, yes, it's true.  All empirical evidence suggests that B&H gets far fewer copies during the early months of a Leica product release than their wait list would warrant.  The reason isn't hard to fathom - if given their proportional share they'd suck up a good part of all early production.  Leica obviously doesn't want that.  So B&H gets fewer units in the beginning.  

 

There's no mystery here.  And nothing new.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Jager

[Eric1]

Just because BH has been using the phrase "coming soon" for years doesn't mean it's right to suggest something that isn't true. They could easily say "backordered" or 5-6months wait. Im not blaming BH for Leica's incredibly slow release but its obvious from other comments I've read on this thread that numerous people are annoyed with months of waiting. I just feel companies should communicate to their customers and not just say, oh this is how it always is.

[Eric1]

Thanks to whomever posted the cameraland tip! Put in an order for a black m10 and should arrive in next two weeks.

[Magic]

Leica UAE in Dubai still seems to have the M10 in silver in stock....

[6bit]

Leica UAE in Dubai still seems to have the M10 in silver in stock....

 

 

If only it wear black. ;-) I am almost to the point of giving in...

[6bit]

A very kind member pointed me in the direction of a Black Chrome M10 in stock at a store in Germany. Fingers crossed I filled everything out ok. Will keep everyone posted.

 

Much thanks to the community and the member for sharing.

[Eric1]

Good for you! Way to get beyond BH. Hope you get one.

[dkCambridgeshire]

Maybe a forum member will benefit from this 

 

https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Leica-M10-Black-Chrome_183502.html

 

dunk 

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Hallo,

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[dkCambridgeshire]

Maybe a forum member will benefit from this 

 

https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Leica-M10-Black-Chrome_183502.html

 

dunk 

 

Seems someone nabbed it  

 

dunk