ianman Posted January 17, 2017 Share #101 Posted January 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sure when is the last time you saw a woman or a non white guy leading a product launch, I seem to remember seeing a woman leading some sort of launch (TV related ?) at a recent event. When I was at WWDC (ok that was a while ago), there were many teams lead by asians. I think you'll find the current CEO does not fit the typical stereotype the future president would approve of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imants Posted January 17, 2017 Share #102 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Wow a woman ...........doesn't change a thing the psyche of apple is white male dominated ........workers are just that workers. The current CEO lost credibility a long time ago there are a lot of problems under his watch and he is a old school alpha male imo Edited January 17, 2017 by brackets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 17, 2017 Share #103 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Great thread because the previous two posts fed my Ignore File automatically. Where do these clowns come from? Edited January 17, 2017 by pico 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 17, 2017 Share #104 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) According to "The Big Recap" ( http://leicarumors.com/2017/01/11/leica-m10-camera-rumors-the-big-recap.aspx/ ), the new M10 will have these two features - * Dedicated ISO wheel/dial on top plate: the dial for the ISO on the top plate has the settings A - M and then goes from 100 to 6,400* Max ISO: 50k (just like the Leica SL and the Leica Q) Maximum ISO of 50,000 - but the ISO dial reads 100-6400... Huh?? Edited January 17, 2017 by Carlos Danger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 17, 2017 Share #105 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) The M9 is, so far, my favorite digital Leica as well. In fact I use two of them, and I'm likely to purchase one more. One upside of any new model is that, hopefully, the used price for the old favourites will fall and make them even more accessible. Edited January 17, 2017 by Distagon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 17, 2017 Share #106 Posted January 17, 2017 Great thread because the previous two posts fed my Ignore File automatically. Where do these clowns come from? The same circus as you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 17, 2017 Share #107 Posted January 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maximum ISO of 50,000 - but the ISO dial reads 100-6400... Huh?? Most photographers will make the vast majority of their photos at ISO6400 or under.Presumably, to access the higher and infrequently used ISOs will require a menu selection. If others' experience of the SL and Q are anything to go by, I doubt I'd ever even use the full range of values on the dial for my photography. However, I seem to be more sensitive to colour noise than many other photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyWat Posted January 17, 2017 Share #108 Posted January 17, 2017 It looks like it would make sense to put the ISO dial to M and use the thumb-wheel. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 17, 2017 Share #109 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Hello Benny I like your avatar. Welcome...you've dived in at the deep end...you'll still hit your head, but hopefully just a knock. all best.. Edited January 17, 2017 by david strachan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIago Posted January 17, 2017 Share #110 Posted January 17, 2017 That's a very strange assumption considering my favourite camera is my M9. M9 is still king. It's got soul. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 17, 2017 Share #111 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) The only M with live-view is the M240. That's why I bought it. And they've all go some sort of soul. But best soul for me is the M8. Edited January 17, 2017 by david strachan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2017 Share #112 Posted January 17, 2017 The only M with live-view is the M240. That's why I bought it. And they've all go some sort of soul. But best soul for me is the M8. Monochrom 246 also does live view ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 17, 2017 Share #113 Posted January 17, 2017 Dear John We are on the same wave length on may things...it's still an M240 iteration??? Love to meet you...coming over for the Leica Challenge in April? all best... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2017 Share #114 Posted January 17, 2017 Dear John We are on the same wave length on may things...it's still an M240 iteration??? Love to meet you...coming over for the Leica Challenge in April? all best... Well that's a difficult distinction! I was simply responding to your statement that the M(240) was "the only M with live view". I appreciate that this seems nitpicky, and I understand you were probably referring to a "normal" colour M camera; it's just that I get very confused over what is included in which M variant. Apart from cosmetic differences, the M-P has the 2 GB buffer, as do the 246 Monochrom and M60. The M(240) has 1GB. The M-P, M(240) and 246 Monochrom all have live view and video. The M(262) doesn't have live view or video. The M-D is the same as the M(262), but is LCD-less, which means no Jpegs and no menus settings, no Auto-ISO and Auto white balance only. If what we read about the M10 is correct, it will be the odd one out, having live view and no video. If I was either buying into the M system for the first time or an M(240) user, this camera would be very interesting. I wouldn't get the EVF, though - I hate add-ons like that. I would just use it 28-90, and I barely use the video on the SL (and that is very competent by comparison). Sadly, I can't find an excuse to come to Aus in April (at this stage). At this stage, I will be at the IBA in Sydney in October, arbitration day in November and the International Council for Commercial Arbitration Congress in Sydney in April 2018. It would be good to know the dates and locations for Australia's Leica events - are they on the web somewhere? Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 17, 2017 Share #115 Posted January 17, 2017 Perhaps I was being too broad-brush. In fact I have the M-P, but often refer to it as an M240. Here is the Australasian Challenge... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264778-australasian-one-challenge-advance-notice/page-1 all best.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 17, 2017 Share #116 Posted January 17, 2017 That's okay, Peter - thanks for responding. We are discussing this conceptually, it has to be said; and much of the speculation is to try to understand how the Leica gamut fits together. In that respect, I don't really understand why the M sensor and EVF need to be better than the SL. The SL sensor is new, and works exceptionally well with most M lenses. I have no doubt that the M10 will be better with M lenses than the SL sensor - why wouldn't it be? The EVF apparently won't, but it's an add-on so I doubt this will matter much. Provided the refresh rate is good and the blackout similar to the SL, I'm sure it will be more than adequate. I did read somewhere that the viewfinder has been upgraded (how and to what, who knows) - focus assist? I can't imagine what that will look like. I won't be investing in another camera with a fixed focus/metering patch. John, re the part I've bold-ed: you've said something like this before which gives me the impression that you thing I want the M to be better than the SL as a matter of principle, or something to do with their relative places in the Leica hierarchy, but it's nothing to do with that. Both the M and as far as I've been able to ascertain the SL have some difficulties with some colours and can struggle in some conditions to create an accurate reproduction of skin tones. They don't appear to have the ability of the Fuji sensors to reliably catch the real subtleties of colour and the tiny graduations that can appear in nature that are so susceptible to small changes in light conditions. So I'd like a better sensor in my next M, not the one from the SL. My point about the EVF is slightly different. It's simply that if I'm going to spend a large amount of money on a set of quite small improvements on an already good camera, I'd like to feel that Leica have really put themselves out to make it as good as they can. Also, since an EVF of any kind implies video capability, and if as rumours suggest they have removed the facility to use the video capacity, (or made to more difficult to get to) Leica will be pampering to a taste that I emphatically do not share, which is that desire for an artificially derived minimalism as opposed to an authentic one that comes naturally from the camera's function. You know how I feel about the M-D. It is a valid variant for those who enjoy it, but nothing of that type of reduction of capabilities should be part of the next core M camera. People complain about bells and whistles but I don't think that is at all what we're talking about here. I want an honest camera that does the things it needs to do or naturally can do as a modern digital camera, and functions that we don't use should be ignored rather than removed. And it should do them all as well as Leica can manage. That might well be a camera worth buying. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2017 Share #117 Posted January 17, 2017 I do understand where you are coming from, Peter, but I suspect your wish is not going to happen, as the problems with skin tones stem from a better ability to distinguish colour subleties, probably by the choice of microlens geometry and bayer filter dyes. This leads to the camera capturing shades of colour that our brain filters out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBarry Posted January 17, 2017 Share #118 Posted January 17, 2017 I felt exactly the same... until I got mine back with the new sensor, which to me seems even better than the old one. Same for me too.. M9 upwards and onwards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2017 Share #119 Posted January 17, 2017 John, re the part I've bold-ed: you've said something like this before which gives me the impression that you thing I want the M to be better than the SL as a matter of principle, or something to do with their relative places in the Leica hierarchy, but it's nothing to do with that. Both the M and as far as I've been able to ascertain the SL have some difficulties with some colours and can struggle in some conditions to create an accurate reproduction of skin tones. They don't appear to have the ability of the Fuji sensors to reliably catch the real subtleties of colour and the tiny graduations that can appear in nature that are so susceptible to small changes in light conditions. So I'd like a better sensor in my next M, not the one from the SL. My point about the EVF is slightly different. It's simply that if I'm going to spend a large amount of money on a set of quite small improvements on an already good camera, I'd like to feel that Leica have really put themselves out to make it as good as they can. Also, since an EVF of any kind implies video capability, and if as rumours suggest they have removed the facility to use the video capacity, (or made to more difficult to get to) Leica will be pampering to a taste that I emphatically do not share, which is that desire for an artificially derived minimalism as opposed to an authentic one that comes naturally from the camera's function. You know how I feel about the M-D. It is a valid variant for those who enjoy it, but nothing of that type of reduction of capabilities should be part of the next core M camera. People complain about bells and whistles but I don't think that is at all what we're talking about here. I want an honest camera that does the things it needs to do or naturally can do as a modern digital camera, and functions that we don't use should be ignored rather than removed. And it should do them all as well as Leica can manage. That might well be a camera worth buying. My interest in the next M is hypothetical, at best. The subtext in what I'm saying is the functionality of the camera you have, or buy, should be enough - it isn't defined by what it isn't, or what another camera has if the functionality of the camera you have is enough. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 17, 2017 Share #120 Posted January 17, 2017 I do understand where you are coming from, Peter, but I suspect your wish is not going to happen, as the problems with skin tones stem from a better ability to distinguish colour subleties, probably by the choice of microlens geometry and bayer filter dyes. This leads to the camera capturing shades of colour that our brain filters out. My interest in the next M is hypothetical, at best. The subtext in what I'm saying is the functionality of the camera you have, or buy, should be enough - it isn't defined by what it isn't, or what another camera has if the functionality of the camera you have is enough. I'd like to respond to both of these points but I'm about to start interviewing candidates for a position as an art teacher so I need to make them my priority for today. Thanks for the thought-provoking replies though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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