james.liam Posted December 31, 2016 Share #61 Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) In a perverse sense, the lens does make sense; while hardly an ideal zoom with ƒ/5.6 @ 75mm, it is way smaller than the R options and better than an iPhone or Sony RX 100 (or equivalent) many may resort to as needed. Makes the most sense if there's a fully electronic shutter and IBIS but sadly, doubtful these are likely to be put together in a single package. Edited December 31, 2016 by james.liam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Lucan Posted December 31, 2016 Share #62 Posted December 31, 2016 Any link of his announcement ? Iread his post in DPR. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted December 31, 2016 Share #63 Posted December 31, 2016 Iread his post in DPR. Google is not that difficult... https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58875065 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 1, 2017 Share #64 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 28 - 75 is an appealing range : supposed it is a real M lens (RF, framelines) I would seriously think of it for my M240... provided the price is WELL below the WATE (a lens I'd like to have... and stay away for cost). There are many travel occasions in which I feel uncomfortable to bring with me 3/4 lenses... at the end, I take 35 or 50 and, guaranteed, I regret to have one only. And imho is correct to play on compactness vs. top aperture... for the occasions I have in mind, a bulky luminous multifocal doesn't fit well ; compactness of the complete setup (M+Vario Elmar) is also imo the winning point over a 28-70(or similar) for SLR... which is typically rather big, needs an adapter ring and the EVF in addition.... I have no R body, but, for strange reasons, I own a Leitz 28/70 ("Sigma") : tried it with M... not appreciable as a "light travel kit", apart any consideration on IQ. Edited January 1, 2017 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 1, 2017 Share #65 Posted January 1, 2017 28 - 75 is an appealing range : supposed it is a real M lens (RF, framelines) I would seriously think of it for my M240... provided the price is WELL below the WATE (a lens I'd like to have... and stay away for cost). There are many travel occasions in which I feel uncomfortable to bring with me 3/4 lenses... at the end, I take 35 or 50 and, guaranteed, I regret to have one only. And imho is correct to play on compactness vs. top aperture... for the occasions I have in mind, a bulky luminous multifocal doesn't fit well ; compactness of the complete setup (M+Vario Elmar) is also imo the winning point over a 28-70(or similar) for SLR... which is typically rather big, needs an adapter ring and the EVF in addition.... I have no R body, but, for strange reasons, I own a Leitz 28/70 ("Sigma") : tried it with M... not appreciable as a "light travel kit", apart any consideration on IQ. Framelines? Tell me how that is going to work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 1, 2017 Share #66 Posted January 1, 2017 Detents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 1, 2017 Share #67 Posted January 1, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Detents? Okay. Detects at 28,35,50 and 75. Guess at everything in between. Doesn't bother me one bit but there has been a lot of hand wringing and angst over frameline accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 1, 2017 Share #68 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) ...there has been a lot of hand wringing and angst over frameline accuracy. This is out of the discussion about the possible new Vario Elmar... fact is that, having used framelines for dozens of years, I'd like to continue to have them... though the accessory EVF has been a very appreciated addon on my M240, and if one day a better one will be available, so better : but traditional RF/OVF is MY way of taking pictures and (having turned 60 2 days ago... ) I don't think to change it. Edited January 1, 2017 by luigi bertolotti 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 1, 2017 Share #69 Posted January 1, 2017 Would you consider producing the Tri-Elmar-M again? I’ve had a number of requests like this. To be frank, we never had much fun producing that lens as it is. To put it another way, it didn’t earn money and created a lot of headaches because it is quite a complicated lens on a mechanical level. When you turn the focal length ring, it moves the lens head in one direction and it moves the cam selector as well. It was a piece of art, but it is virtually not produceable in industry-standard production. But, we’ll take this demand for a Tri-Elmar into consideration and I can’t exclude that we won’t make a new Tri-Elmar in the future. With the camera I just described it would also make sense to have such a lens maybe not with click stops, but with a continuous zoom. Interesting comments. The MATE stopped production in 2006, and the WATE started production in 2006 (the latter with full zoom action). So I would have thought that some of those obstacles were overcome in the meantime. I'd like to see a more modern MATE (or similar), if it's feasible, even if Bi-Elmars rather than Tri-Elmars, if that would reduce obstacles in any way. These would make good travel alternatives. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 1, 2017 Share #70 Posted January 1, 2017 Detents? Possibly, but being a true zoom the detents would have to be manually selected and independent of the zooming of the lens – a very clumsy and un-Leica like way of bringing up the framelines. The original Tri-Elmar had an elegant solution to the problem of selecting the framelines but I don't think it is possible to do it this way with a true zoom, irrespective of the cost involved in using such a complex mechanism. The design of the WATE, being a 16-21 zoom and outside the scope of the camera framelines, didn't need to address the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2, 2017 Share #71 Posted January 2, 2017 I could be automatically linked I think, but as I posted before, it is doubtful whether Leica would want to descend into such complexity, the WATE was trouble enough. I would be the only way such a lens would make real sense on an M camera, though. If it were for EVF use only the SL offers a far more sophisticated zoom experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 2, 2017 Share #72 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) I could be automatically linked I think I guess there's always a way but the original Tri-Elmar had an ingenious solution for dealing with the fact that the framelines on a Leica are not 'triggered' in order – i.e. it goes 35 (default), 50 then 28. If the 28-75 is a true zoom I don't think it will be possible to bring up the framelines by zooming the lens barrel. It would require a separate frameline selector (maybe a collar around the base of the lens) that is selected independent of the zoom position of the lens – a rather ugly solution for Leica. My guess is that, if this lens is going to be released, it will be marketed as EVF only and that may also mean that Leica haven't bothered to make it RF coupled (which would make it possibly a first for an M lens). Edited January 2, 2017 by wattsy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 2, 2017 Share #73 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) I don't think we could overrule a hybrid viewfinder in the sense of rather an EVF, electronically projected frame lines that can image/project at any focal length. If the mount had a new input for distance it could effect the frame lines and project any focal length necessary, something which would make this zoom usable with a rangefinder. It could display just a single frame line (something people have been asking for a long time) or act as frame selector lever too. I would think if done correctly it could also be rather more accurate for framing too. Edited January 2, 2017 by Paul J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2, 2017 Share #74 Posted January 2, 2017 I guess there's always a way but the original Tri-Elmar had an ingenious solution for dealing with the fact that the framelines on a Leica are not 'triggered' in order – i.e. it goes 35 (default), 50 then 28. If the 28-75 is a true zoom I don't think it will be possible to bring up the framelines by zooming the lens barrel. It would require a separate frameline selector (maybe a collar around the base of the lens) that is selected independent of the zoom position of the lens – a rather ugly solution for Leica. My guess is that, if this lens is going to be released, it will be marketed as EVF only and that may also mean that Leica haven't bothered to make it RF coupled (which would make it possibly a first for an M lens). Yes, I agree that would be most likely. But it beats me why they would want to release a pure, non-rangefinder coupled zoom for the M when they are trying to sell the SL system (and T) which are far more capable in this respect than any M camera worthy of the name can ever be. But we will see, the rumoured M10 could be a new departure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2, 2017 Share #75 Posted January 2, 2017 Rather than built-in EVFs, digital rangefinder and electronic frame lines as the future for M cameras. Lctradamus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2, 2017 Share #76 Posted January 2, 2017 No quibble with that. The unanswerable questions being when? and how? of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 2, 2017 Share #77 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Rather than built-in EVFs, digital rangefinder and electronic frame lines as the future for M cameras. Lctradamus pauljradamus beat you to it two posts before Did we just think of this at the same time? Edited January 2, 2017 by Paul J 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 2, 2017 Share #78 Posted January 2, 2017 I think a zoom for the M240 is possible...not driven by the usual M focus system. After all some of us can use the existing EVF...laggy yes, but it works for me. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 2, 2017 Share #79 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) ... My guess is that, if this lens is going to be released, it will be marketed as EVF only... In this case it will mean that M10 or whatever is, will have really something new on the VF/RF side : I think Leica would be fool to introduce a brand new lens (costly, probably...) that REQUIRES the use of an accessory VF... we are talking about "normal" focals... no macro, no long tele... an addon accessory (even not considering the limitations of the current one) would be unacceptable : they could impose the Visoflex in times when SLRs were rough, slow, unreliable (compared to Leica), times are different now, and they have the SL which is their natural zoom Platform. However... I tend to think (hope... ) that won't be an "EVF" only... why making it EXACTLY 28 to 75 , to say, two typical M OVF focals ? And... for what is worth... the pictures of the "Leicarumors M10" do show the good old frame selector lever... which could have a role in managing such a lens... Edited January 2, 2017 by luigi bertolotti 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted January 2, 2017 Share #80 Posted January 2, 2017 This one is got to be one of THE most hyoped lenses. Hypothetical view: Optically it can not be comparable to existing fixed lenses. If it were comparable,it will cost many times more. It will also not be light. So,with moderate IQ performsnce,and moderate apertures,it must be offered reasonably,or else, as I stated earlier,there are no shortage of lenses in those focal lenghts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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