helged Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1761 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am moving away from Leica for my wildlife. Same here; although the SL is excellent for stationary objects (and, for some, works well for BIF as well). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1762 Posted January 16, 2017 [...] My bet is Leica is preparing the bifurcation of the M system in two types of cameras: the classical rangefinder and a different EVF based M mount camera with a different approach for a different public. The M10 seems to be the first step: the classical camera. We will see the black and white model, the M-D model, etc. based on the same body. And then they will offer a different camera with M mount (and manual focus lenses) for people asking for EVFs, movie options, etc. Makes sense indeed but i feel hard to believe that Leica would keep the M mount for the 'different' camera. As for the M10, we seem to know everything about it, except for one thing though: Why on earth did Leica need 5 years for such a moderate upgrade? The response could be found in the VF/RF according to my crystal ball but it's not a Leica ball so take what i say with a lump of salt . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1763 Posted January 16, 2017 I am moving away from Leica for my wildlife. Not to derail this thread, but it would be interesting to know why. SL contrast autofocus inadequate? Lens selection too limited? It certainly seems hard to beat the mature DSLR families for telephoto wildlife. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1764 Posted January 16, 2017 No - too heavy, too bulky and I'm not getting any younger.The probable lack of Video on the M10 is the last straw as it would remove a very useful addition for travel. Combine that with the marvellous DG Vario-Elmar 100-400 and the newest MFT offerings by Panasonic and the answer is clear. I'm just contemplating the moment to put my Vario-Elmar 105-280 and 1.4x extender in the Buy-and-Sell. So there will be no "M10 in Africa" articles . This from somebody who started out in the Masai Mara in the late 80-ies using an M4-2, Visoflex and Telyt-V 6.8-400 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1765 Posted January 16, 2017 So for the price of two used M240s, you get a slightly lighter, slighty better M240 that allows you to buy a good accessory EVF? If that's the value proposition, I'd take the two used M240s (actually an M240 & M246) over the M10. But I don't think that's the full value proposition that will be on offer. My bet is that ве got something else up its sleave, something starting with "hybrid" and ending in "-angefinder". Either way, Wednesday's going to be very interesting! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1766 Posted January 16, 2017 Video could be under drive mode; just losing the dedicated button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1767 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) And the openings for microphone and speaker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1768 Posted January 16, 2017 Trying to be optimistic for you here. Such realism is not helping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1769 Posted January 16, 2017 Video could be under drive mode; just losing the dedicated button If you're going to have video you may as well make it instantly accessible. And while we're on the subject: I've never used the video button on my M and genuinely, honestly, forget it's there. But I see no reason at all to remove it aside from ideological puritanism and if it's to be there, shouldn't it be easy to use in the same way as we ask for the other photographic functions to be? If it's gone, even though I don't use it or personally want it, it will feel like an unnecessary and misguided step backwards. Purity in this context comes from the perfect match of form and function, not from a deliberate reduction in incedental abilities ( that might be helpful to some users) that have no negative effect on the primary functions. Just like flash sync for example, or B or T settings, features that are only useful to some users, their removal would not improve the camera or make it any more pure. Keep the video button please,and give me a detachable EVF or a hybrid viewfinder and don't make me feel like I'm using a tribute to photographic ideals instead of a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1770 Posted January 16, 2017 Another use I make of the video function is to record remarks with the photograph I'm making, sometimes even the visual context. A video function in menu would be useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1771 Posted January 16, 2017 So it looks like the M-240 will end up as the most featured M digital for at least the next 3-4 years Hmmmmm I think I will be in the market for a silver MP-240 . Any offers Hold on, there is an amazing, much better featured new M coming within less than a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1772 Posted January 16, 2017 And the openings for microphone and speaker? The new Multi-Hybrid OEVF does it all, just as both the eye and the ear are connected to the brain, and the sensory mechanisms of both interact in intimate and complex ways with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1773 Posted January 16, 2017 Well, if this is meant to be an interim M-D+ (Barebones with screen) it is not really worth a party, is it? Hold on, there is an amazing, much better featured new M coming within less than a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1774 Posted January 16, 2017 Well, if this is meant to be an interim M-D+ (Barebones with screen) it is not really worth a party, is it? Well yeah, sorry, no party. But we're making the best out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1775 Posted January 16, 2017 Since the minority M models do so well, its probably better for Leica financially to drip feed a slowly evolving series of speciality models and only renew the main M240 do-it-all-in-minimal-M-style less frequently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1776 Posted January 16, 2017 Since the minority M models do so well, its probably better for Leica financially to drip feed a slowly evolving series of speciality models and only renew the main M240 do-it-all-in-minimal-M-style less frequently And the best way to do that would be to drop the type-xxx nomenclature, call it the M as originally planned, and let Leica keep it up to date with incremental improvements as they see fit. Let the other models have their M-dervative names, and break the 3 to 4 year new M(xxx) cycle altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1777 Posted January 16, 2017 Makes little sense to sell M240 bodies with the outdated VF2 any longer. Unless the VF2 can be upgraded, which is hard to believe given the slowness of the body per se, it is the M240 which much be replaced IMHO. Then either the M10 has a built-in or accessory EVF, which sounds more plausible so far, or Leica will launch in the short term another M body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1778 Posted January 16, 2017 For vacation etc. I came to the conclusion that Video in the Leica M is not that usefull due to missing IS. When I shoot private small movies I don't like to build up a large tripod, and certainly don't want to carry a lightweight M-System and then add a huge tripod for video. So I didn't use movie much at all with the M. I do use it sometimes with the SL. <<<<<I believe simplicity is a good thing for the M, I even replaced my 240 with the 262 some time agon and I am happy with that decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1779 Posted January 16, 2017 Huge tripod? I carry a light Novoflex walking stick that doubles as a monopod and it does just fine. Wedge it against a branch or gate etc. and it is completely stable, Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3187402'>More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1780 Posted January 16, 2017 Video on smartphones are good enough for most photographers. On the M it would be useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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